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How exactly do you create power when it's dark and there's no wind? An "international market" doesn't help with electricity: you can't transport electricity fe

How exactly do you create power when it's dark and there's no wind? An "international market" doesn't help with electricity: you can't transport electricity feasibly across oceans.

natmaka 4y ago
It helps by (geographically) spreading production units. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/180592/european-cooperation-could-provide-more-stable/ https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/180592/european-cooperation-... Underwater electricity links do exist, and many are planned. https://eepublicdownloads.entsoe.eu/clean-documents/Publications/maps/2019/Map_ENTSO-E-4.000.000.pdf https://eepublicdownloads.entsoe.eu/clean-documents/Publicat...
- midoridensha 4y ago
  I don't see any underwater links in that map that are crossing an ocean. You really think you can have an underwater link that crosses the Atlantic?
  - natmaka 4y ago
    Yes, I do, albeit I fail to find why this is a prerequisite for renewables to provide most of consumed electricity. The referenced study analyzes continental-scale. However some existing links are encouraging: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NorNed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NorNed Projects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_power_cable#Proposed_submarine_power_cables https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_power_cable#Proposed... The underlying approach is not new and is rather rather quickly adopted and improved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects
hackerlight 4y ago
Overbuilt wind + transported solar (yes you transport feasibly across oceans)
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  Sure, let's outsource critical infrastructure like energy generation on outside powers. It will have no geopolitical consequences whatsoever.
  - hackerlight 4y ago
    Like many European countries were doing with oil and gas, which had no geopolitical consequences whatsoever when Russia invaded Ukraine ... Oh wait

How exactly do you create power when it's dark and there's no wind? An "international market" doesn't help with electricity: you can't transport electricity feasibly across oceans.

natmaka 4y ago

It helps by (geographically) spreading production units. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/180592/european-cooperation-could-provide-more-stable/ https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/180592/european-cooperation-... Underwater electricity links do exist, and many are planned. https://eepublicdownloads.entsoe.eu/clean-documents/Publications/maps/2019/Map_ENTSO-E-4.000.000.pdf https://eepublicdownloads.entsoe.eu/clean-documents/Publicat...

midoridensha 4y ago
I don't see any underwater links in that map that are crossing an ocean. You really think you can have an underwater link that crosses the Atlantic?
- natmaka 4y ago
  Yes, I do, albeit I fail to find why this is a prerequisite for renewables to provide most of consumed electricity. The referenced study analyzes continental-scale. However some existing links are encouraging: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NorNed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NorNed Projects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_power_cable#Proposed_submarine_power_cables https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_power_cable#Proposed... The underlying approach is not new and is rather rather quickly adopted and improved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects

hackerlight 4y ago

Overbuilt wind + transported solar (yes you transport feasibly across oceans)

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
Sure, let's outsource critical infrastructure like energy generation on outside powers. It will have no geopolitical consequences whatsoever.
- hackerlight 4y ago
  Like many European countries were doing with oil and gas, which had no geopolitical consequences whatsoever when Russia invaded Ukraine ... Oh wait