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Most scams seem to be chinese, indian these days. If there is a precedent that we can stop such out of country scammers, then vast swaths of the "scamming marke

Most scams seem to be chinese, indian these days. If there is a precedent that we can stop such out of country scammers, then vast swaths of the "scamming market" go away overnight.

picture 3y ago
How do you know that the scammers are chinese or indian? Most stuff on amazon are just drop ship straight from aliexpress, but what information do you have that tells you who is doing the dropshipping?
- Fatnino 3y ago
  You can glance at a listing and just know it's Chinese. They use an odd font for English and do this thing where they make text headers by surrounding words with square-round brackets that nobody outside of China uses.
  - picture 3y ago
    I mean, how do you know it's not some non-chinese person using mass translation from a chinese source?
    - Fatnino 3y ago
      How does a non-Chinese person selling Chinese crap make the crap and less crap?
gscott 3y ago
The ftc gets keep the money they collect. They can't collect anything on chinese companies so best to go after American ones only. I was shopping for outdoor fireplaces on Amazon and looking at the reviews. Interesting that the reviews were for slitherin house harry potter banners rather than the fireplace I was looking at.
shagie 3y ago
https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/upu-postal-rate-change/564615/ https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/upu-postal-rate-change/... > The grievance that U.S. officials cited in their intention to leave the UPU was the mandated cheaper rates granted to countries designated as “developing” — namely China. Before Option V, packages originating in China weighing less than 4.4 pounds were cheaper to ship to the U.S. than packages of the same weight traveling within the U.S. > New rates will initially be capped at 70% of domestic rates with the option to increase 1% every year up to 80% — meaning some international shippers will maintain the advantage the administration objected to, just a much smaller one. China and India are classified as developing nations according to the Universal Postal Union (UPU). As such, it is cheaper to ship from China or India to... say... Chicago than it is to ship the same package from Milwaukee to Chicago. More about this at https://www.upu.int/en/Postal-Solutions/Programmes-Services/Remuneration/About-UPU-remuneration https://www.upu.int/en/Postal-Solutions/Programmes-Services/... > Ever since the 1969 Congress, there have been many efforts to find an equitable formula which takes account of all the factors and complexities involved in remunerating international postal exchanges. As a result, the terminal dues system has become increasingly geared towards costs, as a growing number of mail flows between UPU member countries were subject to country-specific rates for which domestic tariffs were used as a proxy for the costs of delivery. The system has also come to take account of political and economic principles, as well as recognizing the varying levels of economic development of different countries. > ... > Over the past decade, consumers’ buying habits have undergone a sea change. People have grown increasingly comfortable making online purchases from retailers located in another country. UPU member countries responded to the challenges of declining mail volumes and the growth opportunities in the e-commerce segment by adopting a reform agenda to modernize, integrate and rationalize the UPU remuneration systems through the Integrated Remuneration Plan (IRP) adopted by the second Extraordinary Congress in Addis Ababa in 2018. --- Thus, the "it is cheaper to make a scam something in China or India and ship it to the US" combined with "it is easier to disappear with the money / harder for FTC and US courts to get the money" made it that much more tempting. While the rates are going up for shipping, the other advantages for scams still exist.

Most scams seem to be chinese, indian these days. If there is a precedent that we can stop such out of country scammers, then vast swaths of the "scamming market" go away overnight.

picture 3y ago

How do you know that the scammers are chinese or indian? Most stuff on amazon are just drop ship straight from aliexpress, but what information do you have that tells you who is doing the dropshipping?

Fatnino 3y ago
You can glance at a listing and just know it's Chinese. They use an odd font for English and do this thing where they make text headers by surrounding words with square-round brackets that nobody outside of China uses.
- picture 3y ago
  I mean, how do you know it's not some non-chinese person using mass translation from a chinese source?
  - Fatnino 3y ago
    How does a non-Chinese person selling Chinese crap make the crap and less crap?

gscott 3y ago

The ftc gets keep the money they collect. They can't collect anything on chinese companies so best to go after American ones only. I was shopping for outdoor fireplaces on Amazon and looking at the reviews. Interesting that the reviews were for slitherin house harry potter banners rather than the fireplace I was looking at.

shagie 3y ago

https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/upu-postal-rate-change/564615/ https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/upu-postal-rate-change/... > The grievance that U.S. officials cited in their intention to leave the UPU was the mandated cheaper rates granted to countries designated as “developing” — namely China. Before Option V, packages originating in China weighing less than 4.4 pounds were cheaper to ship to the U.S. than packages of the same weight traveling within the U.S. > New rates will initially be capped at 70% of domestic rates with the option to increase 1% every year up to 80% — meaning some international shippers will maintain the advantage the administration objected to, just a much smaller one. China and India are classified as developing nations according to the Universal Postal Union (UPU). As such, it is cheaper to ship from China or India to... say... Chicago than it is to ship the same package from Milwaukee to Chicago. More about this at https://www.upu.int/en/Postal-Solutions/Programmes-Services/Remuneration/About-UPU-remuneration https://www.upu.int/en/Postal-Solutions/Programmes-Services/... > Ever since the 1969 Congress, there have been many efforts to find an equitable formula which takes account of all the factors and complexities involved in remunerating international postal exchanges. As a result, the terminal dues system has become increasingly geared towards costs, as a growing number of mail flows between UPU member countries were subject to country-specific rates for which domestic tariffs were used as a proxy for the costs of delivery. The system has also come to take account of political and economic principles, as well as recognizing the varying levels of economic development of different countries. > ... > Over the past decade, consumers’ buying habits have undergone a sea change. People have grown increasingly comfortable making online purchases from retailers located in another country. UPU member countries responded to the challenges of declining mail volumes and the growth opportunities in the e-commerce segment by adopting a reform agenda to modernize, integrate and rationalize the UPU remuneration systems through the Integrated Remuneration Plan (IRP) adopted by the second Extraordinary Congress in Addis Ababa in 2018. --- Thus, the "it is cheaper to make a scam something in China or India and ship it to the US" combined with "it is easier to disappear with the money / harder for FTC and US courts to get the money" made it that much more tempting. While the rates are going up for shipping, the other advantages for scams still exist.