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+1 for willing to pay for secure email.

rdtsc 15y ago
Ok that's 2 customers who are also HNers. I think you'd need to do better than that. We are hardly a representative of the general consumer. There is another problem, US govt' need to get access all these messages. For example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hushmail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hushmail, people seemed to have signed up, but Hushmail was forced to provide plaintext messages to US govt upon request. So they sort of compromised their main selling point. That is probably the largest problem, you'd be stuck between a rock and a hard place. You either please your security conscious customers or please Uncle Sam. You can't please both.
- Zirro 15y ago
  "There is another problem, US govt' need to get access all these messages." You're assuming the service has to be located within the US. Why?
  - rdtsc 15y ago
    It doesn't have to, but unless it is located in Iran, NK or other US-unfriendly place, US govt can always pressure the local govt to pressure the local business to turn things over. I wouldn't, for example, count on countries like Switzerland, US is already getting to its banks to turn over US accounts, and is supposed to be one of the most independent and un-influenced countries. With the current legislation trend, eventually un-cooperative or "terrorist friendly" sites would just be filtered out and blocked, so you might have a hard time accessing your email. Some messages might never make it to you.
    - pyre 15y ago
      > US govt can always pressure the local govt That depends. In some places, the privacy laws are better than in the US. You would just have to choose wisely.
      - beagle3 15y ago
        > In some places, the privacy laws are better than in the US. That's nice, you still believe that the laws on file actually govern how the country is run. Bug if you follow e.g. how the spanish SOPA-like was passed, you realize it's all a facade.
- pavel_lishin 15y ago
  I was actually talking about writing a front-end that you could host on your own server, not a gmail clone. (I wish I could update my original comment.)
klodolph 15y ago
So... why don't you buy something like Rackspace email, which costs $2/mo?
- ohgodthecat 15y ago
  Because the minimum cost is $10/mo for Rackspace email. I personally have switched between payed google apps for domains and fastmail (those are both $50/yr and under).
  - magic_haze 15y ago
    Re: rackspace, you can always sign up for a trial account for something else, and once you're in, get the single email subscription for $2.
  - rgrieselhuber 15y ago
    This is why I would never start a business in this space. You're saying $10/month is too much to protect the privacy of your email.
    - Sapient 15y ago
      I think for most people, $10 IS too much. Although we all talk tough about privacy, most people (even here) don't have much to hide from anyone, and when the difference between definitely secure, and probably secure (in terms of privacy and ownership of data) is $10, it suddenly feels a lot more expensive.
      - rgrieselhuber 15y ago
        Which takes me back to my original point. :-)
Quequau 15y ago
I am just about to migrate from Gmail to NeoMailbox. I'm choosing the Swiss hosting option. I'd prefer something in Iceland but the closest service I could find was OrangeWebsite and for them mail was pretty much an afterthought. https://neomailbox.com/services/secure-email https://neomailbox.com/services/secure-email http://www.orangewebsite.com/web_hosting.php http://www.orangewebsite.com/web_hosting.php
wtn 15y ago
lavabit.com

rdtsc 15y ago

Ok that's 2 customers who are also HNers. I think you'd need to do better than that. We are hardly a representative of the general consumer. There is another problem, US govt' need to get access all these messages. For example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hushmail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hushmail, people seemed to have signed up, but Hushmail was forced to provide plaintext messages to US govt upon request. So they sort of compromised their main selling point. That is probably the largest problem, you'd be stuck between a rock and a hard place. You either please your security conscious customers or please Uncle Sam. You can't please both.

Zirro 15y ago
"There is another problem, US govt' need to get access all these messages." You're assuming the service has to be located within the US. Why?
- rdtsc 15y ago
  It doesn't have to, but unless it is located in Iran, NK or other US-unfriendly place, US govt can always pressure the local govt to pressure the local business to turn things over. I wouldn't, for example, count on countries like Switzerland, US is already getting to its banks to turn over US accounts, and is supposed to be one of the most independent and un-influenced countries. With the current legislation trend, eventually un-cooperative or "terrorist friendly" sites would just be filtered out and blocked, so you might have a hard time accessing your email. Some messages might never make it to you.
  - pyre 15y ago
    > US govt can always pressure the local govt That depends. In some places, the privacy laws are better than in the US. You would just have to choose wisely.
    - beagle3 15y ago
      > In some places, the privacy laws are better than in the US. That's nice, you still believe that the laws on file actually govern how the country is run. Bug if you follow e.g. how the spanish SOPA-like was passed, you realize it's all a facade.
pavel_lishin 15y ago
I was actually talking about writing a front-end that you could host on your own server, not a gmail clone. (I wish I could update my original comment.)

klodolph 15y ago

So... why don't you buy something like Rackspace email, which costs $2/mo?

ohgodthecat 15y ago
Because the minimum cost is $10/mo for Rackspace email. I personally have switched between payed google apps for domains and fastmail (those are both $50/yr and under).
- magic_haze 15y ago
  Re: rackspace, you can always sign up for a trial account for something else, and once you're in, get the single email subscription for $2.
- rgrieselhuber 15y ago
  This is why I would never start a business in this space. You're saying $10/month is too much to protect the privacy of your email.
  - Sapient 15y ago
    I think for most people, $10 IS too much. Although we all talk tough about privacy, most people (even here) don't have much to hide from anyone, and when the difference between definitely secure, and probably secure (in terms of privacy and ownership of data) is $10, it suddenly feels a lot more expensive.
    - rgrieselhuber 15y ago
      Which takes me back to my original point. :-)

Quequau 15y ago

I am just about to migrate from Gmail to NeoMailbox. I'm choosing the Swiss hosting option. I'd prefer something in Iceland but the closest service I could find was OrangeWebsite and for them mail was pretty much an afterthought. https://neomailbox.com/services/secure-email https://neomailbox.com/services/secure-email http://www.orangewebsite.com/web_hosting.php http://www.orangewebsite.com/web_hosting.php

wtn 15y ago

lavabit.com