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Do you have a rough idea of how much they're worth? I'm curious if something similar to so-called "bottle bills"[0] could fix that. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.o

by CSSer 3y ago

Do you have a rough idea of how much they're worth? I'm curious if something similar to so-called "bottle bills"[0] could fix that. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container-deposit_legislation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container-deposit_legislation

re-thc 3y ago
Not sure how effective these schemes are - at least from what I've seen. There's a lot of "double dipping" i.e. people put it in designated recycling bins out of free will and then scavengers come to pull the worthy items out of those bins to get paid. Recycling hasn't been encouraged but money has been lost (paid out). Often people that care about recycling aren't in it for the money and those that are don't care about actually recycling something.
- zamnos 3y ago
  Open top bins? Is that really a big problem, percentage-wise? I mean I'm sure it's a problem, but I'm skeptical it's that big a percentage. That's also one such way of dealing with the recycling and where it goes. Elsewhere I've seen machines which accept cans and such, and dispense value from fridge-size metal machines like at the grocery store.
  - re-thc 3y ago
    Just like collecting cardboard, it only takes 1-2 people to go through streets / stations of bins for themselves. Literally every recycling bin I see at a station or otherwise is scavenged upon. Haven't seen many more advanced machines here, but those go back to the same problem - it takes more time than dumping it into an open bin "on your way". This leads to people not recycling it. There's also the fact that a lot of countries don't actually have the capabilities to recycle even if they collect it. Yes real capacity. It's been uncovered many times where recycling just takes a roundabout tour back to the dumps. There's also a huge amount of fraud in this area. Companies take the money and send to China or other places. The theory of recycling is good but more needs to be done to actually get it going. Batteries on the other hand... they're worth more so just maybe... but there have been lots of electronics recycling fraud just as well...
- pyrale 3y ago
  > people put it in designated recycling bins out of free will and then scavengers come to pull the worthy items out of those bins to get paid. That's not a problem from the pov of people putting them in the bins. Their concern was that batteries make it to a recycler, not that money is saved. Overall, I feel like people think way too much about money, money changing hands is often worthless as an indicator of actual impact.
  - re-thc 3y ago
    Money as in we're talking about recycling schemes that offer a payout.
zamnos 3y ago
Flume 18350 550mah new, $1.80 Elfbar 16350 650mAh new, $2.66 18350: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1100mah-3-7v-Battery-18400-18350_1600349231513.html https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1100mah-3-7v-Battery-... 16350: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802959295031.html https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802959295031.html I have no idea how to sell them locally, or who I'd even sell them to though.

by CSSer 3y ago

re-thc 3y ago

Not sure how effective these schemes are - at least from what I've seen. There's a lot of "double dipping" i.e. people put it in designated recycling bins out of free will and then scavengers come to pull the worthy items out of those bins to get paid. Recycling hasn't been encouraged but money has been lost (paid out). Often people that care about recycling aren't in it for the money and those that are don't care about actually recycling something.

zamnos 3y ago
Open top bins? Is that really a big problem, percentage-wise? I mean I'm sure it's a problem, but I'm skeptical it's that big a percentage. That's also one such way of dealing with the recycling and where it goes. Elsewhere I've seen machines which accept cans and such, and dispense value from fridge-size metal machines like at the grocery store.
- re-thc 3y ago
  Just like collecting cardboard, it only takes 1-2 people to go through streets / stations of bins for themselves. Literally every recycling bin I see at a station or otherwise is scavenged upon. Haven't seen many more advanced machines here, but those go back to the same problem - it takes more time than dumping it into an open bin "on your way". This leads to people not recycling it. There's also the fact that a lot of countries don't actually have the capabilities to recycle even if they collect it. Yes real capacity. It's been uncovered many times where recycling just takes a roundabout tour back to the dumps. There's also a huge amount of fraud in this area. Companies take the money and send to China or other places. The theory of recycling is good but more needs to be done to actually get it going. Batteries on the other hand... they're worth more so just maybe... but there have been lots of electronics recycling fraud just as well...
pyrale 3y ago
> people put it in designated recycling bins out of free will and then scavengers come to pull the worthy items out of those bins to get paid. That's not a problem from the pov of people putting them in the bins. Their concern was that batteries make it to a recycler, not that money is saved. Overall, I feel like people think way too much about money, money changing hands is often worthless as an indicator of actual impact.
- re-thc 3y ago
  Money as in we're talking about recycling schemes that offer a payout.

zamnos 3y ago

Flume 18350 550mah new, $1.80 Elfbar 16350 650mAh new, $2.66 18350: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1100mah-3-7v-Battery-18400-18350_1600349231513.html https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1100mah-3-7v-Battery-... 16350: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802959295031.html https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802959295031.html I have no idea how to sell them locally, or who I'd even sell them to though.