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SF should start by closing open air drug scenes, arresting dealers and not subsidizing drug addiction.
by option 4y ago
SF should start by closing open air drug scenes, arresting dealers and not subsidizing drug addiction.
- jmatthews 4y agoout of curiosity, why is this comment being voted down? It seems reasonable, is there more to it?
- apsurd 4y agomy assumption is that "war on drugs" is naive. gotta treat it like an illness
- foobiekr 3y agoIncluding forcibly treating people who refuse treatment?
- gotoeleven 4y agoas an amateur hacker news logician and avid rachel maddow watcher I believe it is because the comment is an example of the slippery slope fallacy, fails to note that correlation does not equal causation and also doesnt mention how 40 years ago ronald reagan closed the mental hospitals which meant CA could not enforce laws against pooping in the streets ever again.
- rtpg 4y agoBecause arresting drug dealers is not actually a thing that means that retail will have more customers in downtown SF. There's a legitimate discussion about having downtown areas be economically viable and pretending that if we "just" arrested all the criminals or whatever then things would get fixed is very dismissive of real, actual things that could be improved. You need customers for retail to exist. People working for SF-based companies don't want to go to the office (you might make an argument it's for crime reasons, but it feels obvious the overriding reason is just wanting to work from home). So retail is suffering. Notice how crime plays at best a second order effect there. Yet every story on HN about this topic is filled with people saying it's crime.
- mansion7 3y agoNo drug dealers = druggies go elsewhere No druggies/dealers = people move back to the area People move back to the area + no druggies/dealers = businesses move back to the area
- rtpg 3y agoI mean the place is already next to a bunch of houses. I'm imagining that all of those places aren't exactly empty. But of course this thing is built across the street from a Safeway (which feels pretty relevant to the lack of the success to be honest). It feels just like there are so many more simple narratives here. Like seriously, there's a supermarket that looks larger and has a parking lot just there! Why would people bother crossing a 4-lane highway to go to whole foods? And so you're left with a huge supermarket that is trying to cater purely to foot traffic, outside of a place with that much of it to begin with. It sure feels like hubris meant this site simply did not work. It just feels like such a stretch to claim that crime is the thing here.
- twelve40 3y agoare you sure you are looking at the right place? i don't see any Safeway close to 8th and Market and there are plenty of boarded-up abandoned houses on Market and the streets next to it. Also, have you just seen it? It's the stinkiest most repulsive part of town with a bunch of deranged people hanging out nonstop day and night on that corner there.
- pandaman 3y agoThere is neither a highway nor a Safeway nearby. Also, the apartment complex where the WFM is located (the Trinity Place) seems to have ample parking for retail.
- jsnell 3y agoAccording to the article, the store was closed due to security concerns. There was no suggestion in the article that it was due to insufficient sales. Are you suggesting the company is lying for some reason?