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If they make it to that far. A really offensive thing in this area is disposable vapes. The rechargable ones are this close to being reusable. Heck if you take

by zamnos 4y ago

If they make it to that far. A really offensive thing in this area is disposable vapes. The rechargable ones are this close to being reusable. Heck if you take them apart and put in juice, they are. But the sheer number of them that just get thrown in the trash, with their lithium-ion battery, is disgusting. I ask all my friends that vape to give theirs to me when they die, then I take them apart and bring the batteries to a recycler. Those things should be illegal on the basis of wasting lithium but I assume they're made in China which is where a good portion of the world's lithium comes from, so there's little chance thet'll change be stopped.

CSSer 4y ago
Do you have a rough idea of how much they're worth? I'm curious if something similar to so-called "bottle bills"[0] could fix that. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container-deposit_legislation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container-deposit_legislation
- re-thc 4y ago
  Not sure how effective these schemes are - at least from what I've seen. There's a lot of "double dipping" i.e. people put it in designated recycling bins out of free will and then scavengers come to pull the worthy items out of those bins to get paid. Recycling hasn't been encouraged but money has been lost (paid out). Often people that care about recycling aren't in it for the money and those that are don't care about actually recycling something.
  - zamnos 4y ago
    Open top bins? Is that really a big problem, percentage-wise? I mean I'm sure it's a problem, but I'm skeptical it's that big a percentage. That's also one such way of dealing with the recycling and where it goes. Elsewhere I've seen machines which accept cans and such, and dispense value from fridge-size metal machines like at the grocery store.
    - re-thc 4y ago
      Just like collecting cardboard, it only takes 1-2 people to go through streets / stations of bins for themselves. Literally every recycling bin I see at a station or otherwise is scavenged upon. Haven't seen many more advanced machines here, but those go back to the same problem - it takes more time than dumping it into an open bin "on your way". This leads to people not recycling it. There's also the fact that a lot of countries don't actually have the capabilities to recycle even if they collect it. Yes real capacity. It's been uncovered many times where recycling just takes a roundabout tour back to the dumps. There's also a huge amount of fraud in this area. Companies take the money and send to China or other places. The theory of recycling is good but more needs to be done to actually get it going. Batteries on the other hand... they're worth more so just maybe... but there have been lots of electronics recycling fraud just as well...
  - pyrale 4y ago
    > people put it in designated recycling bins out of free will and then scavengers come to pull the worthy items out of those bins to get paid. That's not a problem from the pov of people putting them in the bins. Their concern was that batteries make it to a recycler, not that money is saved. Overall, I feel like people think way too much about money, money changing hands is often worthless as an indicator of actual impact.
    - re-thc 4y ago
      Money as in we're talking about recycling schemes that offer a payout.
- zamnos 4y ago
  Flume 18350 550mah new, $1.80 Elfbar 16350 650mAh new, $2.66 18350: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1100mah-3-7v-Battery-18400-18350_1600349231513.html https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1100mah-3-7v-Battery-... 16350: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802959295031.html https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802959295031.html I have no idea how to sell them locally, or who I'd even sell them to though.
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by zamnos 4y ago

CSSer 4y ago

Do you have a rough idea of how much they're worth? I'm curious if something similar to so-called "bottle bills"[0] could fix that. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container-deposit_legislation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container-deposit_legislation

re-thc 4y ago
Not sure how effective these schemes are - at least from what I've seen. There's a lot of "double dipping" i.e. people put it in designated recycling bins out of free will and then scavengers come to pull the worthy items out of those bins to get paid. Recycling hasn't been encouraged but money has been lost (paid out). Often people that care about recycling aren't in it for the money and those that are don't care about actually recycling something.
- zamnos 4y ago
  Open top bins? Is that really a big problem, percentage-wise? I mean I'm sure it's a problem, but I'm skeptical it's that big a percentage. That's also one such way of dealing with the recycling and where it goes. Elsewhere I've seen machines which accept cans and such, and dispense value from fridge-size metal machines like at the grocery store.
  - re-thc 4y ago
    Just like collecting cardboard, it only takes 1-2 people to go through streets / stations of bins for themselves. Literally every recycling bin I see at a station or otherwise is scavenged upon. Haven't seen many more advanced machines here, but those go back to the same problem - it takes more time than dumping it into an open bin "on your way". This leads to people not recycling it. There's also the fact that a lot of countries don't actually have the capabilities to recycle even if they collect it. Yes real capacity. It's been uncovered many times where recycling just takes a roundabout tour back to the dumps. There's also a huge amount of fraud in this area. Companies take the money and send to China or other places. The theory of recycling is good but more needs to be done to actually get it going. Batteries on the other hand... they're worth more so just maybe... but there have been lots of electronics recycling fraud just as well...
- pyrale 4y ago
  > people put it in designated recycling bins out of free will and then scavengers come to pull the worthy items out of those bins to get paid. That's not a problem from the pov of people putting them in the bins. Their concern was that batteries make it to a recycler, not that money is saved. Overall, I feel like people think way too much about money, money changing hands is often worthless as an indicator of actual impact.
  - re-thc 4y ago
    Money as in we're talking about recycling schemes that offer a payout.
zamnos 4y ago
Flume 18350 550mah new, $1.80 Elfbar 16350 650mAh new, $2.66 18350: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1100mah-3-7v-Battery-18400-18350_1600349231513.html https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1100mah-3-7v-Battery-... 16350: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802959295031.html https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802959295031.html I have no idea how to sell them locally, or who I'd even sell them to though.

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