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We are actually at the thread limit. Here's how it works: You can reply to me, but I can't reply to you, since your message is the one that causes us to hit the
by sfblah 4y ago
We are actually at the thread limit. Here's how it works: You can reply to me, but I can't reply to you, since your message is the one that causes us to hit the limit.
I don't think we're really having a productive discussion here, since we're talking past each other, but so I'll just reiterate a key point you're ignoring:
It is virtually impossible to research IQ in Western universities, and doing so risks a loss of tenure.
Now, you're asking for rigor in proving to you that IQ is genetic. I'm arguing that genetic determination of IQ should be the prior, thus a priori no rigor is needed. And, the environmentalists should be saddled with the necessity of disproving genetic determination, not the other way round. You offer no refutation of this argument.
But, your demand for rigor is already preposterous on its face, because researching this topic is virtually impossible! And, those who do research it are immediately slandered as white supremacists and targeted with methodological critiques that, if applied equally to all social sciences, would sink essentially all well-meaning studies in this area.
I genuinely don't understand what mental gymnastics people go through to convince themselves that, in the face of essentially every other important human trait being genetically determined (even sexual orientation!), IQ is somehow exempt. My best guess it's a consequence of wanting to "belong" in a society that has rendered my views taboo. That was a key function of Catholicism in the 1400s in Europe. Groupthink has its place.
In any event, if you reply, please specifically explain to me why I should take your demands for more research data seriously when people who argue what you're arguing have made such research unfundable.
- tptacek 4y agoI assure you there is no such thread limit (or if there is, we aren't close to it). You suppose me to be attempting to refute an argument that IQ is genetically determined. I don't have to do that. No valid argument has been presented that it is. Your original argument supposed that the evidence for genetic determination was "overwhelming", but you believed that because you mistook the term "heritability" as a synonym for "genetic", when it is in fact a ratio "genetic/everything". As for research funding: you also can't get a grant to prove that the Earth is flat, and that fact is persuasive to some people, who have taken to renaming the atmosphere the "atmosflat". Generally, you want your logic to be stronger than that of flat-Earthers. That doesn't make your supposition that IQ is genetically determined wrong (I think it's wrong, but don't pretend to have demonstrated that). It just makes your logic faulty.
- tptacek 4y ago(Here, I'll demonstrate.)
- sfblah 4y agoFor completeness, it appears HN prevents you from replying to a post until it's been there for something like 15 minutes. I mistakenly interpreted that as a thread limit. Responding to your message below. It is the case, as you can see in this screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/q0VjGgJ https://imgur.com/a/q0VjGgJ Note the lack of a reply button. You must be a real hoot in person.
- tptacek 4y agoThat is also not the case.
- runarberg 4y agoI think this is a feature to prevent flame wars from spiraling out of control. The reply button is hidden for the first n-minutes on long threads. A thread should ideally get more interesting as it gets longer, if a reply has to be composed immediately, it is probably a sign it is not gonna be interesting, if it can’t wait n-minutes, it is probably a sign it is not gonna be interesting. https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#hidden-reply-links https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#hidden...
- sfblah 4y agoIt's a completely reasonable feature. I was just reacting to this dude whose goal appears just to be to contradict anything I said. I provided a screenshot. My experience was real and valid (like my experience of having a genetically high IQ, coincidentally).
- tptacek 4y agoYou just responded to somebody who explained to you that your theory of HN having a time limit feature that prevented you from writing comments was trivially refuted. Your experience of not knowing how to respond to a comment inside a time window was valid, but your theory of what was actually happening was false.