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Imagine how many other jobs you can say almost that same thing. 'Oh you were getting paid to look at text or jpeg or video files and write something about them

by ftxbro 4y ago

Imagine how many other jobs you can say almost that same thing. 'Oh you were getting paid to look at text or jpeg or video files and write something about them into a text or excel file or email? It was always known that your job would be automated soon. Pretty irresponsible of you to not plan for it.'

likeabbas 4y ago
There's plenty of "engineers" whose job is to update some trivial frontend code or similar that will be automated away. I think software engineer salaries are about to tank really quick.
- ramesh31 4y ago
  Do not equate "frontend" with "trivial". Huge mistake.
  - likeabbas 4y ago
    It's just an example. There's plenty of backend "engineers" who don't really engineer anything. This all leads back to a conversation one of my professors talked about. In other engineering professions, you need to be licensed by the state. Software "Engineers" don't have this license, so anyone can go to bootcamp and become one. I think if we changed this, then we would be able to differentiate software engineers from simple developers and that would help engineers maintain their status above chatGPT for a while longer.
    - ramesh31 4y ago
      100%. The vast majority of folks labelled as an "engineer" these days couldn't integrate x^2. But software is a different beast than bridges or power lines. It takes a creative streak that goes beyond that. And math is not the great filter in the same way it is for those disciplines. I don't think credentialism is the answer. But perhaps something more along the lines of trade licensing.
    - throwaway675309 4y ago
      As a developer with a masters in computer science, I absolutely think that there should be a CS equivalent of a PE exam specifically for accredited software engineering. It's one of the biggest reasons that coding interviews are such a train wreck, because of the incredible disparity of competence between potential applicants.
    - jb3689 4y ago
      > In other engineering professions, you need to be licensed by the state. Software "Engineers" don't have this license, so anyone can go to bootcamp and become one. Academic achievements and actual work experiences are already sufficient here in-practice. I don’t think certifications would be as impactful as you might hope
  - dmreedy 4y ago
    Do not equate "conversational natural language" with "trivial" either. We've been working on that one a lot longer than frontend.

by ftxbro 4y ago

likeabbas 4y ago

There's plenty of "engineers" whose job is to update some trivial frontend code or similar that will be automated away. I think software engineer salaries are about to tank really quick.

ramesh31 4y ago
Do not equate "frontend" with "trivial". Huge mistake.
- likeabbas 4y ago
  It's just an example. There's plenty of backend "engineers" who don't really engineer anything. This all leads back to a conversation one of my professors talked about. In other engineering professions, you need to be licensed by the state. Software "Engineers" don't have this license, so anyone can go to bootcamp and become one. I think if we changed this, then we would be able to differentiate software engineers from simple developers and that would help engineers maintain their status above chatGPT for a while longer.
  - ramesh31 4y ago
    100%. The vast majority of folks labelled as an "engineer" these days couldn't integrate x^2. But software is a different beast than bridges or power lines. It takes a creative streak that goes beyond that. And math is not the great filter in the same way it is for those disciplines. I don't think credentialism is the answer. But perhaps something more along the lines of trade licensing.
  - throwaway675309 4y ago
    As a developer with a masters in computer science, I absolutely think that there should be a CS equivalent of a PE exam specifically for accredited software engineering. It's one of the biggest reasons that coding interviews are such a train wreck, because of the incredible disparity of competence between potential applicants.
  - jb3689 4y ago
    > In other engineering professions, you need to be licensed by the state. Software "Engineers" don't have this license, so anyone can go to bootcamp and become one. Academic achievements and actual work experiences are already sufficient here in-practice. I don’t think certifications would be as impactful as you might hope
- dmreedy 4y ago
  Do not equate "conversational natural language" with "trivial" either. We've been working on that one a lot longer than frontend.