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To directly command one of the agents, the user takes on the persona of the agent’s “inner voice”—this makes the agent more likely to treat the statement as a d

To directly command one of the agents, the user takes on the persona of the agent’s “inner voice”—this makes the agent more likely to treat the statement as a directive. For instance, when told “You are going to run against Sam in the upcoming election” by a user as John’s inner voice, John decides to run in the election and shares his candidacy with his wife and son. So that's where my inner voice comes from.

legitimayzer 4y ago
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TaylorAlexander 4y ago
What's funny is this is one of the semi-important plot points in Westworld the TV series. The hosts (robots designed to look and act like people) hear their higher level programming directives as an inner monologue.
- zaptrem 4y ago
  When I saw the scene where one of the hosts was looking at their own language model generating dialogue (though they were visualizing an older n-gram language model) I became a believer in LLMs reaching AGI (note: I didn’t watch the show when it came out in 2016, it was around 2018/19 when we were also seeing the first transformer LLMs and theories about scaling laws). The scene: https://youtu.be/ZnxJRYit44k https://youtu.be/ZnxJRYit44k
  - TaylorAlexander 4y ago
    What about it made you become a believer? Even if a true AGI requires a complex network of specialized neural nets (like Tesla’s hydra network) it would still have a language center like the human brain does. It is non obvious to me that an LLM by itself can become AGI, though I’m familiar with the claims of some that this is plausible.
    - ImHereToVote 4y ago
      General intelligence doesn't necessarily mean human like intelligence.
      - boringuser2 4y ago
        Intelligence is a tool of the human self, not the self.
      - isaacfrond 4y ago
        You are right that there are intelligences possible that are not human. Then again, if one is sufficiently intelligent, one could probably convincingly simulate human intelligence. There are chess training programs for example that are specifically trained to play human moves, rather than the best moves.
        johnthewise 4y ago
        When prompted, chatgpt answers you as if it is a pirate.
      - leroy-is-here 4y ago
        What other general intelligence have we seen other than human? We know, of course, that animals have intelligence, but they do not appear to talk. How are we measuring general intelligence now? By IQ, a human test through words and symbols.
        naasking 4y ago
        The g-factor of IQ may or may not have anything to do with general intelligence. The general intelligence of AGI is probably a broader category than the g-factor.
        leroy-is-here 4y ago
        When I made my comment, I knew nothing about a “g-factor”.
  - VaxWithSex 4y ago
    Yes. I love that scene. Improvisation… Improvisation… Improvisation…
  - smusamashah 4y ago
    https://imgur.com/a/NoxaYln https://imgur.com/a/NoxaYln screenshot of the dialog tree from the video
- mclightning 4y ago
  I remember someone had predicted this would happen with OpenAI's GPT-3, but perhaps now we are closer with ChatGPT... Found it! : https://medium.com/swlh/bicameral-mind-humanoid-robot-with-gpt-3-as-the-story-teller-dcd06d5c7f8d https://medium.com/swlh/bicameral-mind-humanoid-robot-with-g...
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allanrbo 4y ago
This "inner voice" idea reminds me of how LangChain works too, where you give it a task, and it comes up with actions, observations, thoughts, etc. For example: https://python.langchain.com/en/latest/modules/agents/getting_started.html https://python.langchain.com/en/latest/modules/agents/gettin...
Nevermark 4y ago
Not only will they know more, work 24/7 on demand, spawn and vaporize at will, they are going to be perfectly obedient employees! O_o Imagine how well they will manage up, given human managerial behavior just becomes a useful prompt for them. Fortunately, they can't be told to vote. Unless you are in the US, in which case they can be incorporated, earn money, and told where to donate it, which is how elections are done now. Seriously. Scary. On the other hand, if Comcast can finally provide sensible customer support it's clear this is will be an historically significant win for humanity! Your own "Comcast" handler, who remembers everything about you that you tried to scrub from the internet. Singularity, indeed.
- synaesthesisx 4y ago
  They can’t vote, but what if they figure out that they can influence human votes?
  - Nevermark 4y ago
    Yes, they definitely will. Even before AI’s care about manipulating our politics, people will direct them to. I already pointed out they can influence elections with money. And bots are already used to influence on social media. AI bots are going to be insidious.
  - anonyfox 4y ago
    I'll take a robotic vote any day over any kind of conservative bullshit. It really can only get better here, not even kidding. At least if the last things humans do is releasing artificial life forms, its still better than backwards humans killing each other for nonsense tribalism or ancient fairytale books.
    - l33t233372 4y ago
      > It really can only get better here, not even kidding. I think that’s pretty extreme hyperbole.
    - Nevermark 4y ago
msla 4y ago
Very Julian Jaynes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality > Jaynes uses "bicameral" (two chambers) to describe a mental state in which the experiences and memories of the right hemisphere of the brain are transmitted to the left hemisphere via auditory hallucinations. [snip] > According to Jaynes, ancient people in the bicameral state of mind experienced the world in a manner that has some similarities to that of a person with schizophrenia. Rather than making conscious evaluations in novel or unexpected situations, the person hallucinated a voice or "god" giving admonitory advice or commands and obey without question: One was not at all conscious of one's own thought processes per se. Jaynes's hypothesis is offered as a possible explanation of "command hallucinations" that often direct the behavior of those with first rank symptoms of schizophrenia, as well as other voice hearers.
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mirpetri 4y ago
Most of the time we think we think, we actually listen.
kulikalov 4y ago
Reminds me of Julian Jaynes theory

legitimayzer 4y ago

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TaylorAlexander 4y ago

What's funny is this is one of the semi-important plot points in Westworld the TV series. The hosts (robots designed to look and act like people) hear their higher level programming directives as an inner monologue.

zaptrem 4y ago
When I saw the scene where one of the hosts was looking at their own language model generating dialogue (though they were visualizing an older n-gram language model) I became a believer in LLMs reaching AGI (note: I didn’t watch the show when it came out in 2016, it was around 2018/19 when we were also seeing the first transformer LLMs and theories about scaling laws). The scene: https://youtu.be/ZnxJRYit44k https://youtu.be/ZnxJRYit44k
- TaylorAlexander 4y ago
  What about it made you become a believer? Even if a true AGI requires a complex network of specialized neural nets (like Tesla’s hydra network) it would still have a language center like the human brain does. It is non obvious to me that an LLM by itself can become AGI, though I’m familiar with the claims of some that this is plausible.
  - ImHereToVote 4y ago
    General intelligence doesn't necessarily mean human like intelligence.
    - boringuser2 4y ago
      Intelligence is a tool of the human self, not the self.
    - isaacfrond 4y ago
      You are right that there are intelligences possible that are not human. Then again, if one is sufficiently intelligent, one could probably convincingly simulate human intelligence. There are chess training programs for example that are specifically trained to play human moves, rather than the best moves.
      - johnthewise 4y ago
        When prompted, chatgpt answers you as if it is a pirate.
    - leroy-is-here 4y ago
      What other general intelligence have we seen other than human? We know, of course, that animals have intelligence, but they do not appear to talk. How are we measuring general intelligence now? By IQ, a human test through words and symbols.
      - naasking 4y ago
        The g-factor of IQ may or may not have anything to do with general intelligence. The general intelligence of AGI is probably a broader category than the g-factor.
        leroy-is-here 4y ago
        When I made my comment, I knew nothing about a “g-factor”.
- VaxWithSex 4y ago
  Yes. I love that scene. Improvisation… Improvisation… Improvisation…
- smusamashah 4y ago
  https://imgur.com/a/NoxaYln https://imgur.com/a/NoxaYln screenshot of the dialog tree from the video
mclightning 4y ago
I remember someone had predicted this would happen with OpenAI's GPT-3, but perhaps now we are closer with ChatGPT... Found it! : https://medium.com/swlh/bicameral-mind-humanoid-robot-with-gpt-3-as-the-story-teller-dcd06d5c7f8d https://medium.com/swlh/bicameral-mind-humanoid-robot-with-g...
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allanrbo 4y ago

This "inner voice" idea reminds me of how LangChain works too, where you give it a task, and it comes up with actions, observations, thoughts, etc. For example: https://python.langchain.com/en/latest/modules/agents/getting_started.html https://python.langchain.com/en/latest/modules/agents/gettin...

Nevermark 4y ago

Not only will they know more, work 24/7 on demand, spawn and vaporize at will, they are going to be perfectly obedient employees! O_o Imagine how well they will manage up, given human managerial behavior just becomes a useful prompt for them. Fortunately, they can't be told to vote. Unless you are in the US, in which case they can be incorporated, earn money, and told where to donate it, which is how elections are done now. Seriously. Scary. On the other hand, if Comcast can finally provide sensible customer support it's clear this is will be an historically significant win for humanity! Your own "Comcast" handler, who remembers everything about you that you tried to scrub from the internet. Singularity, indeed.

synaesthesisx 4y ago
They can’t vote, but what if they figure out that they can influence human votes?
- Nevermark 4y ago
  Yes, they definitely will. Even before AI’s care about manipulating our politics, people will direct them to. I already pointed out they can influence elections with money. And bots are already used to influence on social media. AI bots are going to be insidious.
- anonyfox 4y ago
  I'll take a robotic vote any day over any kind of conservative bullshit. It really can only get better here, not even kidding. At least if the last things humans do is releasing artificial life forms, its still better than backwards humans killing each other for nonsense tribalism or ancient fairytale books.
  - l33t233372 4y ago
    > It really can only get better here, not even kidding. I think that’s pretty extreme hyperbole.
  - Nevermark 4y ago

msla 4y ago

Very Julian Jaynes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality > Jaynes uses "bicameral" (two chambers) to describe a mental state in which the experiences and memories of the right hemisphere of the brain are transmitted to the left hemisphere via auditory hallucinations. [snip] > According to Jaynes, ancient people in the bicameral state of mind experienced the world in a manner that has some similarities to that of a person with schizophrenia. Rather than making conscious evaluations in novel or unexpected situations, the person hallucinated a voice or "god" giving admonitory advice or commands and obey without question: One was not at all conscious of one's own thought processes per se. Jaynes's hypothesis is offered as a possible explanation of "command hallucinations" that often direct the behavior of those with first rank symptoms of schizophrenia, as well as other voice hearers.

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mirpetri 4y ago

Most of the time we think we think, we actually listen.

kulikalov 4y ago

Reminds me of Julian Jaynes theory