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Artificially inflated prices and administrative overhead causes air pollution? You seriously wrote that with a straight face? You know what also produces air p

Artificially inflated prices and administrative overhead causes air pollution? You seriously wrote that with a straight face? You know what also produces air pollution? Manufacturing and transport of wind turbines. Construction of hydro power dams. Manufacturing and distribution of solar panels. Mining, manufacturing and distribution of grid batteries. By your logic, no grid-scale source of energy is good enough. I hope you're browsing Hacker News using landfill-diverted computer hardware powered by a landfill-diverted off-grid solar power array, because otherwise your objections to nuclear power apply equally to your own life.

defrost 4y ago
> I hope you're browsing Hacker News using landfill-diverted Just as an aside and a reasonable data point, I can't be the only person with a majority of formerly commercial refabbed EOL equipment (more than just computers + solar panels). As a non urban Australian in a sparse area scoring and repurposing other people's "crap" has been a way of life for six decades .. nine for my father who is still actively trawling auction sites, curb dumps, and local tip sites.
- eru 4y ago
  To go off on that tangent: If you use your own 'crap' for long enough, it's has the same impact: you just skip the step of switching ownership.
KennyBlanken 4y ago
> Artificially inflated prices and administrative overhead causes air pollution? You seriously wrote that with a straight face? What artificially inflated prices? And...No? Nice strawman, though? Nuclear power plants have a massively expensive supply chain - their capex and opex expenses are huge, the highest of any form of generation. Every worker the plant requires, every manager, every gauge, every piece of pipe - all has a carbon footprint. And because it's for nuclear, all those parts are a lot more expensive because of all the documentation, engineering and reliability, and that means a higher carbon footprint. > You know what also produces air pollution? Manufacturing and transport of wind turbines. Construction of hydro power dams. Manufacturing and distribution of solar panels. Mining, manufacturing and distribution of grid batteries. All the things you name immediately start paying back 'dividends', solar/wind have a fraction of the opex, and produce electricity at a far lower cost than nuclear and are dropping in cost per GWhr, whereas nuclear plants take decades to "break even", only do so if you ignore the carbon footprint of their supply chain, and the cost of electricity from nuclear is going up. > I hope you're browsing Hacker News using landfill-diverted computer hardware powered by a landfill-diverted off-grid solar power array, because otherwise your objections to nuclear power apply equally to your own life. So cliche a response it's literally a meme. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-somewhat https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-som...
- simondotau 4y ago
  Strange, you just fell into the trap of making the exact same point I was making. It is, to any practical standpoint, impossible to exist in this economy without having some footprint of some kind at some point. If not direct, then indirect. So what then? Are you still contending that constructing nuclear is a bad idea because the supply chain of a nontrivial endeavour has a non-zero carbon footprint? And yes, memes are a meme for a reason. It seems strange that you think that an idea achieving meme status invalidates it? Are you trying to offer a response, or are you only interested in feeling like you want an Internet debate? I suppose if it’s the latter then… umm… well done? Well done on dodging the actual discussion at hand.

defrost 4y ago

> I hope you're browsing Hacker News using landfill-diverted Just as an aside and a reasonable data point, I can't be the only person with a majority of formerly commercial refabbed EOL equipment (more than just computers + solar panels). As a non urban Australian in a sparse area scoring and repurposing other people's "crap" has been a way of life for six decades .. nine for my father who is still actively trawling auction sites, curb dumps, and local tip sites.

eru 4y ago
To go off on that tangent: If you use your own 'crap' for long enough, it's has the same impact: you just skip the step of switching ownership.

KennyBlanken 4y ago

> Artificially inflated prices and administrative overhead causes air pollution? You seriously wrote that with a straight face? What artificially inflated prices? And...No? Nice strawman, though? Nuclear power plants have a massively expensive supply chain - their capex and opex expenses are huge, the highest of any form of generation. Every worker the plant requires, every manager, every gauge, every piece of pipe - all has a carbon footprint. And because it's for nuclear, all those parts are a lot more expensive because of all the documentation, engineering and reliability, and that means a higher carbon footprint. > You know what also produces air pollution? Manufacturing and transport of wind turbines. Construction of hydro power dams. Manufacturing and distribution of solar panels. Mining, manufacturing and distribution of grid batteries. All the things you name immediately start paying back 'dividends', solar/wind have a fraction of the opex, and produce electricity at a far lower cost than nuclear and are dropping in cost per GWhr, whereas nuclear plants take decades to "break even", only do so if you ignore the carbon footprint of their supply chain, and the cost of electricity from nuclear is going up. > I hope you're browsing Hacker News using landfill-diverted computer hardware powered by a landfill-diverted off-grid solar power array, because otherwise your objections to nuclear power apply equally to your own life. So cliche a response it's literally a meme. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-somewhat https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-som...

simondotau 4y ago
Strange, you just fell into the trap of making the exact same point I was making. It is, to any practical standpoint, impossible to exist in this economy without having some footprint of some kind at some point. If not direct, then indirect. So what then? Are you still contending that constructing nuclear is a bad idea because the supply chain of a nontrivial endeavour has a non-zero carbon footprint? And yes, memes are a meme for a reason. It seems strange that you think that an idea achieving meme status invalidates it? Are you trying to offer a response, or are you only interested in feeling like you want an Internet debate? I suppose if it’s the latter then… umm… well done? Well done on dodging the actual discussion at hand.