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also commercially it is not in the benefit of the car to waste fuel circling around, instead of parking

glaucon 4y ago
Where I live the electricity costs of having an EV 'just drive around until I call you' would be an order of magnitude cheaper than paying for parking.
- chroma 4y ago
  Electricity isn't the only cost of operating an EV. There's wear and tear on the drivetrain, suspension, and tires. And every mile driven slightly increases the chance of a collision. That's why insurance companies charge more for vehicles that are driven more miles per year.
- iknowstuff 4y ago
  A natural consequence of this is congestion pricing like in London. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congestion_pricing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congestion_pricing
bluGill 4y ago
Maybe, but fuel is cheap and so many people will want their car to circle close instead of parking 5 minutes away and thus being 5 minutes away when they are done. Even if it is a longer time inside they will have the car circle starting ten minutes before they think they will be done.
- bmelton 4y ago
  I can't imagine why I wouldn't send it home to be useful for other family members, or just sublet its unproductive time as a way to earn its keep as a ride share driver.
  - ntr-- 4y ago
    you are 30 minutes from home for a 15 minute appointment and do not like waiting for your car. do you: - send the car home no, it would only get halfway home before the end of your appointment - send it on a rideshare journey let's say (conservatively, and according to some minimum regulations from the rideshare service) it gets assigned a job after 5 minutes to drive somebody 10 minutes away. it finishes its job at the same time as your appointment ends. you have to wait 10 minutes for it to return to you. again no. - send it to a parking lot assuming the parking lot is 5 minutes away and you can tell it to return 5m before your appointment ends this seems reasonable - drive circles around your appointment all the benefits of sending it to the parking lot but requires even less effort as you no longer have to remember to tell it your appointment is finishing. now apply this logic to the general public. what is the most likely outcome?
    - haweemwho 3y ago
      Exactly. People are already occupying public resources for their private luxury (in the form of parking on public street in front of their house), nobody would think twice just letting the thing circle. Especially in places where parking costs money, which will then only be a thing for people who can't afford self-driving add-ons or need to charge the thing.

Where I live the electricity costs of having an EV 'just drive around until I call you' would be an order of magnitude cheaper than paying for parking.

chroma 4y ago
Electricity isn't the only cost of operating an EV. There's wear and tear on the drivetrain, suspension, and tires. And every mile driven slightly increases the chance of a collision. That's why insurance companies charge more for vehicles that are driven more miles per year.
iknowstuff 4y ago
A natural consequence of this is congestion pricing like in London. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congestion_pricing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congestion_pricing

bluGill 4y ago

Maybe, but fuel is cheap and so many people will want their car to circle close instead of parking 5 minutes away and thus being 5 minutes away when they are done. Even if it is a longer time inside they will have the car circle starting ten minutes before they think they will be done.

bmelton 4y ago
I can't imagine why I wouldn't send it home to be useful for other family members, or just sublet its unproductive time as a way to earn its keep as a ride share driver.
- ntr-- 4y ago
  you are 30 minutes from home for a 15 minute appointment and do not like waiting for your car. do you: - send the car home no, it would only get halfway home before the end of your appointment - send it on a rideshare journey let's say (conservatively, and according to some minimum regulations from the rideshare service) it gets assigned a job after 5 minutes to drive somebody 10 minutes away. it finishes its job at the same time as your appointment ends. you have to wait 10 minutes for it to return to you. again no. - send it to a parking lot assuming the parking lot is 5 minutes away and you can tell it to return 5m before your appointment ends this seems reasonable - drive circles around your appointment all the benefits of sending it to the parking lot but requires even less effort as you no longer have to remember to tell it your appointment is finishing. now apply this logic to the general public. what is the most likely outcome?
  - haweemwho 3y ago
    Exactly. People are already occupying public resources for their private luxury (in the form of parking on public street in front of their house), nobody would think twice just letting the thing circle. Especially in places where parking costs money, which will then only be a thing for people who can't afford self-driving add-ons or need to charge the thing.