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I would pay the same amount for a Linux laptop that worked as easily as a MBP and had similar build quality, performance and battery life. Howver, whatever cra

I would pay the same amount for a Linux laptop that worked as easily as a MBP and had similar build quality, performance and battery life. Howver, whatever crazy-stable and easy to use and well supported hypothetical Linux this is wouldn’t be compatible with my “real” Linux use cases so I would then also install Arch or whatever and live with constantly borked everything and just swap between my Arch “Dev” OS and my “Linux Mac” business/work/consumer OS. Current Linux cannot be made “MacOS”-stable. But maybe in 5 years.

b112 3y ago
Current Linux cannot be made “MacOS”-stable. But maybe in 5 years. Stable?? Linux is a rock of stability, you must mean something else.
- runnerup 3y ago
  Yeah I’m talking about Ubuntu being hyper aggressive about upgrading my GPU drivers even after I turn off all auto updates and borking my entire OS install and this happening enough that it’s faster just to make scripts which auto reinstall Ubuntu and all my versioned packages from scratch. Or non-Ubuntu, software just randomly falling apart after 2 years. Like I need a newer kernel for a new Wi-Fi card but then I need a different GPU driver and that’s incompatible with some softwares UI library, so they update that but it has an incompatibility with something else. Or how Linux still has Wi-Fi 6 totally broken. Sure, Linux is rock stable if you have a production environment where everything is nailed down. But from an actual daily consumer user point of view it doesn’t feel stable. At all. I love Linux. I love fixing it when it borks. But my god does it break every week.
  - b112 3y ago
    No. Apparently for you, Ubuntu breaks every week. Not Linux. Don't blame the good, for the things bad does. I go months on my Debian desktop without issues, through upgrades, and only reboot for kernel updates!
- fryry 3y ago
  Just today I needed to run some software only available in .deb and only on Ubuntu 22.04. So whipped out an old laptop that had Ubuntu installed and ran sudo do-release-upgrade to upgrade to 22.04. boom! GUI gone and the terminal was flooded with weird filesystem errors. I had to spend the whole afternoon reinstalling from scratch. I would love a Linux daily driver but I've had similar experiences to the above every time I've tried it for the last 15 years.
  - b112 3y ago
    https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/do-release-upgrade.8.html https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/do-release-... It says use it for non-GUI newest release upgrades? Why are you surprised the GUI disappeared?! Also, why did to do that, if you wanted to keep the current version? Anyhow, I never have such issues with Debian. Do bear in mind, Ubuntu(or any distro) is not Linux. Are you going to call Linux "unstable", because you get a crappy phone with Android(which is judt more Linux).
- Salgat 3y ago
  The kernel yes, the distros and userspace, not so much. Linux is my go to for hosting, but macOS and Windows are designed to prioritize for the desktop user experience.
- wankle 3y ago
  You seem to be confused, Linux is the most stable OS available for desktop or servers.

b112 3y ago

Current Linux cannot be made “MacOS”-stable. But maybe in 5 years. Stable?? Linux is a rock of stability, you must mean something else.

runnerup 3y ago
Yeah I’m talking about Ubuntu being hyper aggressive about upgrading my GPU drivers even after I turn off all auto updates and borking my entire OS install and this happening enough that it’s faster just to make scripts which auto reinstall Ubuntu and all my versioned packages from scratch. Or non-Ubuntu, software just randomly falling apart after 2 years. Like I need a newer kernel for a new Wi-Fi card but then I need a different GPU driver and that’s incompatible with some softwares UI library, so they update that but it has an incompatibility with something else. Or how Linux still has Wi-Fi 6 totally broken. Sure, Linux is rock stable if you have a production environment where everything is nailed down. But from an actual daily consumer user point of view it doesn’t feel stable. At all. I love Linux. I love fixing it when it borks. But my god does it break every week.
- b112 3y ago
  No. Apparently for you, Ubuntu breaks every week. Not Linux. Don't blame the good, for the things bad does. I go months on my Debian desktop without issues, through upgrades, and only reboot for kernel updates!
fryry 3y ago
Just today I needed to run some software only available in .deb and only on Ubuntu 22.04. So whipped out an old laptop that had Ubuntu installed and ran sudo do-release-upgrade to upgrade to 22.04. boom! GUI gone and the terminal was flooded with weird filesystem errors. I had to spend the whole afternoon reinstalling from scratch. I would love a Linux daily driver but I've had similar experiences to the above every time I've tried it for the last 15 years.
- b112 3y ago
  https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/do-release-upgrade.8.html https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/do-release-... It says use it for non-GUI newest release upgrades? Why are you surprised the GUI disappeared?! Also, why did to do that, if you wanted to keep the current version? Anyhow, I never have such issues with Debian. Do bear in mind, Ubuntu(or any distro) is not Linux. Are you going to call Linux "unstable", because you get a crappy phone with Android(which is judt more Linux).
Salgat 3y ago
The kernel yes, the distros and userspace, not so much. Linux is my go to for hosting, but macOS and Windows are designed to prioritize for the desktop user experience.
wankle 3y ago
You seem to be confused, Linux is the most stable OS available for desktop or servers.