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I've never been to a major city, especially NYC or SF, and thought "man this would be great if it was just a little denser."

by pc86 4y ago

renewiltord 4y ago
Funny, that's my prime complaint about SF (which I otherwise love). I'd like it to be like Tokyo's inner districts. I believe it's quite common. In about 50 y this place will look very different.
q7xvh97o2pDhNrh 4y ago
SF could frankly stand to be 5-10x denser. It's not getting any bigger, but more and more people want to live there.
- rightbyte 4y ago
  I believe the feedback loop is that so many leave due to bad living conditions (mainly driven by cost and commutes) that there are plenty of jobs to get which makes people want to move there.
  - RC_ITR 4y ago
    In 2010, SF/Oakland + San Jose MSAs had 3.2 million people in the workforce. Today, it's 3.7 million. Austin in 2010 had 950K and now has 1.4mn. Cities like Austin just felt like they grew more b/c they had a smaller starting point.
    - pc86 4y ago
      Cities like Austin feel like they grow more because 50% growth is a LOT more than 15% growth.
      - RC_ITR 4y ago
        >I believe the feedback loop is that so many leave due to bad living conditions (mainly driven by cost and commutes) that there are plenty of jobs to get which makes people want to move there. GP's implication was that SF has abundant jobs because so many people leave and I was clarifying how that is a misconception. Your point is different entirely, but thank you for making it.
prawn 4y ago
The most enjoyable cities/suburbs I've experienced around the world have been fairly dense in terms of narrow streets and multi storey buildings. 3-6 storey buildings on average. NYC and SF already have a good amount like this, though still dominated by roads. There'd also be scope to turn parking lots into actual parks or multi-purpose areas for events, food stalls and so on. Parking lots are just grim.

3 ms·

I've never been to a major city, especially NYC or SF, and thought "man this would be great if it was just a little denser."

by pc86 4y ago

I've never been to a major city, especially NYC or SF, and thought "man this would be great if it was just a little denser."

renewiltord 4y ago
Funny, that's my prime complaint about SF (which I otherwise love). I'd like it to be like Tokyo's inner districts. I believe it's quite common. In about 50 y this place will look very different.
q7xvh97o2pDhNrh 4y ago
SF could frankly stand to be 5-10x denser. It's not getting any bigger, but more and more people want to live there.
- rightbyte 4y ago
  I believe the feedback loop is that so many leave due to bad living conditions (mainly driven by cost and commutes) that there are plenty of jobs to get which makes people want to move there.
  - RC_ITR 4y ago
    In 2010, SF/Oakland + San Jose MSAs had 3.2 million people in the workforce. Today, it's 3.7 million. Austin in 2010 had 950K and now has 1.4mn. Cities like Austin just felt like they grew more b/c they had a smaller starting point.
    - pc86 4y ago
      Cities like Austin feel like they grow more because 50% growth is a LOT more than 15% growth.
      - RC_ITR 4y ago
        >I believe the feedback loop is that so many leave due to bad living conditions (mainly driven by cost and commutes) that there are plenty of jobs to get which makes people want to move there. GP's implication was that SF has abundant jobs because so many people leave and I was clarifying how that is a misconception. Your point is different entirely, but thank you for making it.
prawn 4y ago
The most enjoyable cities/suburbs I've experienced around the world have been fairly dense in terms of narrow streets and multi storey buildings. 3-6 storey buildings on average. NYC and SF already have a good amount like this, though still dominated by roads. There'd also be scope to turn parking lots into actual parks or multi-purpose areas for events, food stalls and so on. Parking lots are just grim.