It sounds like you think I am trying to win, or not lose, a debate by making it hard for you to succeed in your argument. I am not. I am not in the slightest pe

It sounds like you think I am trying to win, or not lose, a debate by making it hard for you to succeed in your argument. I am not. I am not in the slightest personally invested in the question of whether the US health care system is better or worse than other countries'. I just don't think these statistics add up to a meaningful analysis of this complex problem, or a meaningful attribution to the health care system versus other causes. The world doesn't owe us a tidy statistic on which we can lay out all the nations and say whose health care system is good and whose is bad. I would refer you to the original commenter's point, supported by my subsequent points. Public health issues seem to matter more than the health care system, and the US has uniquely bad public health issues, most of which the health care system by itself can't do much about. I don't think you've effectively disputed that point. "It's unfair that there's not a metric you'll accept showing how bad the US health care system is and how important that is" is just relying on the exact premise we're disputing.