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In an urban setting, maybe. In places away from the cities, the ICE vehicles will remain for a long time. Mainly because the infrastructure of the electrical g

In an urban setting, maybe. In places away from the cities, the ICE vehicles will remain for a long time. Mainly because the infrastructure of the electrical grid would need to be upgraded first, and that is probably too expensive per unit. (Lots of long-run high-tension cables to service very few customers = big bikkies.)

rntn 4y ago
You're probably right, but, from what I am learning while reading up on whole house battery / solar systems, future EVs could be an important part of rural residential electrical resiliency. In the southern Appalachians, ice storms result in power outages that can last for days to weeks and, at least for my personal situation, an EV battery would be an attractive second storage option (with power coming from the utility when available and solar backed by a generator on propane otherwise).
- Kon-Peki 4y ago
  Poor rural areas are going to get a lot poorer. When it comes to infrastructure, the suburbs are subsidizing everyone else. As (if?) they transition, it will get a lot more expensive to reliably serve other areas. The wealthy rural denizens will be fine, and will likely transition to EV-dominated transportation. Large farming concerns will have no problem whatsoever getting fuel delivered. And everyone else is screwed. The time to start adaptation is now. I’m reminded of when I was growing up. None of the kids I knew living on farms drove F-150s and Silverados as daily drivers. They all had fuel-efficient vehicles as runabouts. Like it or not, that’s going to have to come back. For a lot of rural people, the next car they buy is going to be the one they’re stuck driving when gas gets permanently expensive (and slightly harder to get).
  - rntn 4y ago
    Yes, this is true. In this area, there are huge rural gated communities, usually centered on a golf course (or courses) with some approaching ten thousand acres in size and with development going back more than 50 years.. There is possibly a wider chasm between these kinds of rural areas and the rest of the rural south than exists in American cities.. There are huge issues with the suburbanization approach to rural areas as you allude to. In the area of electric infrastructure, there is a strong tradition of rural co-ops, who originally electrified many remote rural areas, but most of them have now become reliant on the large monopoly energy providers. There is a discussion of the issue here: https://appvoices.org/energydemocracy/ https://appvoices.org/energydemocracy/
  - jackvalentine 4y ago
    > When it comes to infrastructure, the suburbs are subsidizing everyone else. My understanding was that suburbs are subsidised by everyone else. Here is an infographic that came up when I searched to see if I was wrong: https://i.imgur.com/2rgkaOZ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2rgkaOZ.jpg

rntn 4y ago

You're probably right, but, from what I am learning while reading up on whole house battery / solar systems, future EVs could be an important part of rural residential electrical resiliency. In the southern Appalachians, ice storms result in power outages that can last for days to weeks and, at least for my personal situation, an EV battery would be an attractive second storage option (with power coming from the utility when available and solar backed by a generator on propane otherwise).

Kon-Peki 4y ago
Poor rural areas are going to get a lot poorer. When it comes to infrastructure, the suburbs are subsidizing everyone else. As (if?) they transition, it will get a lot more expensive to reliably serve other areas. The wealthy rural denizens will be fine, and will likely transition to EV-dominated transportation. Large farming concerns will have no problem whatsoever getting fuel delivered. And everyone else is screwed. The time to start adaptation is now. I’m reminded of when I was growing up. None of the kids I knew living on farms drove F-150s and Silverados as daily drivers. They all had fuel-efficient vehicles as runabouts. Like it or not, that’s going to have to come back. For a lot of rural people, the next car they buy is going to be the one they’re stuck driving when gas gets permanently expensive (and slightly harder to get).
- rntn 4y ago
  Yes, this is true. In this area, there are huge rural gated communities, usually centered on a golf course (or courses) with some approaching ten thousand acres in size and with development going back more than 50 years.. There is possibly a wider chasm between these kinds of rural areas and the rest of the rural south than exists in American cities.. There are huge issues with the suburbanization approach to rural areas as you allude to. In the area of electric infrastructure, there is a strong tradition of rural co-ops, who originally electrified many remote rural areas, but most of them have now become reliant on the large monopoly energy providers. There is a discussion of the issue here: https://appvoices.org/energydemocracy/ https://appvoices.org/energydemocracy/
- jackvalentine 4y ago
  > When it comes to infrastructure, the suburbs are subsidizing everyone else. My understanding was that suburbs are subsidised by everyone else. Here is an infographic that came up when I searched to see if I was wrong: https://i.imgur.com/2rgkaOZ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2rgkaOZ.jpg