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Funny how they still have an image issue related to being driven by rich vegans or whatever else people think of them they see them. It made more sense in 2014

Funny how they still have an image issue related to being driven by rich vegans or whatever else people think of them they see them. It made more sense in 2014 when seeing a Model S was as exotic as seeing a McLaren. Now I am fairly desensitized to seeing Model 3's and Y's as commuter cars between NJ and NY and the merely seeing badge doesn't really do anything for me these days. It's weird how much a car's price and perceived price can vary when you actually look at how things depreciate. Seeing a Quattroporte and F-150 King Ranch next to each other and noting that used the Maserati is a $15k car and while the truck is nearly $75k is really odd. Teslas hardly depreciate at all through, so I guess that adds to it.

lotsofpulp 3y ago
> Teslas hardly depreciate at all through, so I guess that adds to it. How can this be if the battery is a huge portion of the vehicle’s cost and it has a limited lifetime?
- WorldMaker 3y ago
  The battery's "limited lifetime" is currently longer than the expected lifespan of the car. The vast majority of EV batteries are still in "first use" and that is including more than a decade of Nissan Leafs (the model with the worst issues of battery "degradation" known to the used market). People are still driving the first and only battery of the car into a car's second decade (and likely will into its third, but it is too soon to tell). Statistically speaking, an EV is more likely to be totaled entirely in an accident than to have its battery replaced.
- starbase 3y ago
  Engines have limited lifetime too, but I get your concern. Most people's experience with Li-ion batteries is portable electronics that are designed to last 5 years or so. EV batteries are designed (and their charge state managed) to last much longer. As a rule of thumb, the battery in a long range EV (NMC or NCA chemistry) will have 70% of its original range after 1200 full charge cycles (charging 0-100% 1200 times, or charging 25-75% 2400 times) So a car with 350mi range when new will have 245 mile range after about 400,000 miles. EVs with lithium-iron batteries (LFP chem) have shorter range (250 miles or so) but they can do about 3000 cycles or 700,000 miles before their range falls to 70%, or 175 miles. Still potentially useful, depending on how far you need to go. I would imagine most of the EVs on the road today will succumb to rust or collisions before their battery gives out.
bdcravens 3y ago
> Teslas hardly depreciate at all through, The price of used Teslas has plummeted by 20% in recent months. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1139159_tesla-model-3-leads-a-nosedive-in-used-ev-prices https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1139159_tesla-model-3-l...

lotsofpulp 3y ago

> Teslas hardly depreciate at all through, so I guess that adds to it. How can this be if the battery is a huge portion of the vehicle’s cost and it has a limited lifetime?

WorldMaker 3y ago
The battery's "limited lifetime" is currently longer than the expected lifespan of the car. The vast majority of EV batteries are still in "first use" and that is including more than a decade of Nissan Leafs (the model with the worst issues of battery "degradation" known to the used market). People are still driving the first and only battery of the car into a car's second decade (and likely will into its third, but it is too soon to tell). Statistically speaking, an EV is more likely to be totaled entirely in an accident than to have its battery replaced.
starbase 3y ago
Engines have limited lifetime too, but I get your concern. Most people's experience with Li-ion batteries is portable electronics that are designed to last 5 years or so. EV batteries are designed (and their charge state managed) to last much longer. As a rule of thumb, the battery in a long range EV (NMC or NCA chemistry) will have 70% of its original range after 1200 full charge cycles (charging 0-100% 1200 times, or charging 25-75% 2400 times) So a car with 350mi range when new will have 245 mile range after about 400,000 miles. EVs with lithium-iron batteries (LFP chem) have shorter range (250 miles or so) but they can do about 3000 cycles or 700,000 miles before their range falls to 70%, or 175 miles. Still potentially useful, depending on how far you need to go. I would imagine most of the EVs on the road today will succumb to rust or collisions before their battery gives out.

bdcravens 3y ago

> Teslas hardly depreciate at all through, The price of used Teslas has plummeted by 20% in recent months. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1139159_tesla-model-3-leads-a-nosedive-in-used-ev-prices https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1139159_tesla-model-3-l...