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You believe being non-religious should be illegal?

by hydrok9 4y ago

antibasilisk 4y ago
Yes
- hydrok9 4y ago
  Bizarre. From your list of Athiestic influences I'd say you spent way too much time online!
  - antibasilisk 4y ago
    >From your list of Athiestic influences I'd say you spent way too much time online! That's an accurate observation, but being a zoomer, it's also pretty standard.
    - hydrok9 4y ago
      It's also a pretty bad way to get any kind of context about what "people" think, or how they act
- wkat4242 4y ago
  But why? Why do you even care so much what other people believe?
  - antibasilisk 4y ago
    Because of the prisoner's dilemma. It is more often than not beneficial to a given belief system, for that belief system to suppress alternative beliefs. Various expressions of atheism are subject to this too. We see this more explicitly in China and France, but we are also beginning to see it in other areas of the western world primarily using soft power, such as by funding subversive institutions and figures. As with the prisoner's dilemma, there is no good reason for religious people to play the game with their hands tied behind their backs.
    - wkat4242 4y ago
      I don't really see this as a "game". As an atheist I'm perfectly fine with people having beliefs. What I do have a problem with, is them imposing their values and morals on me, or judging me by them. They should keep that within their own communities. Also note that many religions disagree on many things, and they all believe they are the one true right one, yet this is literally impossible. But I would not wish to suppress other beliefs as long as they don't impose their values upon atheists or followers of other belief systems. And if they do try to do so my problem is with that imposition alone. One of the things I never really grasp is how much hate is coming from religious groups regarding what people do in the bedroom. Something that does not affect or hurt them at all. I never understand the reason for this.
      - antibasilisk 4y ago
        >As an atheist I'm perfectly fine with people having beliefs. This rings hollow, because as soon as we want to police our own communities according to our laws suddenly it becomes 'you are sexist, you are homophobic, you are anti-democratic, now hand over your children, your wealth and your guns'. >What I do have a problem with, is them imposing their values and morals on me, or judging me by them. They should keep that within their own communities. So that we can instead have your morals and values imposed on us? >But I would not wish to suppress other beliefs as long as they don't impose their values upon atheists or followers of other belief systems. And if they do try to do so my problem is with that imposition alone. So you would have no problem with Christians fining other Christians for premarital sex, or imprisoning women for having abortions, or Muslims flogging other Muslims for engaging in sodomy? Hell, what if we just don't want to bake a cake for a gay couple? >Something that does not affect or hurt them at all. I never understand the reason for this. Our morals are based on our religious texts. It has nothing to do with whether we feel 'affected' in the short term.
    - hydrok9 4y ago
      Why does this make it beneficial to outlaw athiesm?
      - 4y ago

You believe being non-religious should be illegal?

antibasilisk 4y ago

Yes

hydrok9 4y ago
Bizarre. From your list of Athiestic influences I'd say you spent way too much time online!
- antibasilisk 4y ago
  >From your list of Athiestic influences I'd say you spent way too much time online! That's an accurate observation, but being a zoomer, it's also pretty standard.
  - hydrok9 4y ago
    It's also a pretty bad way to get any kind of context about what "people" think, or how they act
wkat4242 4y ago
But why? Why do you even care so much what other people believe?
- antibasilisk 4y ago
  Because of the prisoner's dilemma. It is more often than not beneficial to a given belief system, for that belief system to suppress alternative beliefs. Various expressions of atheism are subject to this too. We see this more explicitly in China and France, but we are also beginning to see it in other areas of the western world primarily using soft power, such as by funding subversive institutions and figures. As with the prisoner's dilemma, there is no good reason for religious people to play the game with their hands tied behind their backs.
  - wkat4242 4y ago
    I don't really see this as a "game". As an atheist I'm perfectly fine with people having beliefs. What I do have a problem with, is them imposing their values and morals on me, or judging me by them. They should keep that within their own communities. Also note that many religions disagree on many things, and they all believe they are the one true right one, yet this is literally impossible. But I would not wish to suppress other beliefs as long as they don't impose their values upon atheists or followers of other belief systems. And if they do try to do so my problem is with that imposition alone. One of the things I never really grasp is how much hate is coming from religious groups regarding what people do in the bedroom. Something that does not affect or hurt them at all. I never understand the reason for this.
    - antibasilisk 4y ago
      >As an atheist I'm perfectly fine with people having beliefs. This rings hollow, because as soon as we want to police our own communities according to our laws suddenly it becomes 'you are sexist, you are homophobic, you are anti-democratic, now hand over your children, your wealth and your guns'. >What I do have a problem with, is them imposing their values and morals on me, or judging me by them. They should keep that within their own communities. So that we can instead have your morals and values imposed on us? >But I would not wish to suppress other beliefs as long as they don't impose their values upon atheists or followers of other belief systems. And if they do try to do so my problem is with that imposition alone. So you would have no problem with Christians fining other Christians for premarital sex, or imprisoning women for having abortions, or Muslims flogging other Muslims for engaging in sodomy? Hell, what if we just don't want to bake a cake for a gay couple? >Something that does not affect or hurt them at all. I never understand the reason for this. Our morals are based on our religious texts. It has nothing to do with whether we feel 'affected' in the short term.
  - hydrok9 4y ago
    Why does this make it beneficial to outlaw athiesm?
    - 4y ago