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I've never understood why cars don't just cut power before the battery is too low to start. If that's too complicated then just have an option to cut all power

I've never understood why cars don't just cut power before the battery is too low to start. If that's too complicated then just have an option to cut all power after X hours of non-running time. I bet the old popular theft of car radio is a root cause; cars needed to stay running to keep the alarm active and power the radio continuously so it wouldn't require the unlock code every time you start the vehicle. It's actually pretty impressive how much power even a 200mA draw at 12V is over a few days; it's about 58 Watt-hours or 3.5 iPhone batteries per day.

topspin 4y ago
> I've never understood why cars don't just cut power before the battery is too low to start. The design of most cars can't tolerate losing 12V DC power without problems. Clearing superfluous codes after a battery swap is SOP. Cars are build for two simultaneous customers: regulatory regimes and work-a-day 13.5K miles a year workers that start (and thus charge) their cars at least every 48-72 hours. Other use cases aren't really considered. Some are better than others though. I have a 21 year old Nissan with a factory alarm and key fobs that sits for a month or more and starts fine every time. Heating helps a lot.
- topspin 4y ago
  Something I forgot to mention here that supports my view that designers of modern cars are not thinking about this problem at all: after battery power is lost cars lose their maps and tables for ignition timing and fuel delivery. After a usually short period of time (20 minutes is typical) that data is lost and the engine etc. has to 'relearn' when the power is restored and the vehicle is operated for a time.
pvaldes 4y ago
> why cars don't just cut power before the battery is too low to start. Some cars computers block the start by software if the battery is "slightly" low (even if would not be too low to start).
bonestamp2 4y ago
Cutting the power is easy, the hard part is for the car to know when/how to reconnect power when the driver wants to start the vehicle. I guess with a physical ignition switch, the mechanical motion of the tumbler could reconnect power. But, most cars don't have ignition tumblers anymore.

topspin 4y ago

> I've never understood why cars don't just cut power before the battery is too low to start. The design of most cars can't tolerate losing 12V DC power without problems. Clearing superfluous codes after a battery swap is SOP. Cars are build for two simultaneous customers: regulatory regimes and work-a-day 13.5K miles a year workers that start (and thus charge) their cars at least every 48-72 hours. Other use cases aren't really considered. Some are better than others though. I have a 21 year old Nissan with a factory alarm and key fobs that sits for a month or more and starts fine every time. Heating helps a lot.

topspin 4y ago
Something I forgot to mention here that supports my view that designers of modern cars are not thinking about this problem at all: after battery power is lost cars lose their maps and tables for ignition timing and fuel delivery. After a usually short period of time (20 minutes is typical) that data is lost and the engine etc. has to 'relearn' when the power is restored and the vehicle is operated for a time.

pvaldes 4y ago

> why cars don't just cut power before the battery is too low to start. Some cars computers block the start by software if the battery is "slightly" low (even if would not be too low to start).

bonestamp2 4y ago

Cutting the power is easy, the hard part is for the car to know when/how to reconnect power when the driver wants to start the vehicle. I guess with a physical ignition switch, the mechanical motion of the tumbler could reconnect power. But, most cars don't have ignition tumblers anymore.