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They will be the same people in the blink of an eye. It's almost a certainty.

by starbase 4y ago

Casteil 4y ago
...not until more EVs are available in the $20-30k price range. Most people can't afford new vehicles @ $30k+
- kcb 4y ago
  No one at almost any income level buys small cheap $20k - $30k cars. They take out a loan to buy an F150, RAM, or midsized crossover. Or buy used. *In the US
  - nojito 4y ago
    Of course they do. That’s why the Corolla is as popular as it is.
    - kcb 4y ago
      https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-cars-2022/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=arb_dda_ga_cd_md_bm_prog_org_us_g39628015 https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-car... It's on the list sure, but no sedan is the massive mainstream seller that they used to be.
      - prottog 4y ago
        If we exclude the Big 3 pickups from this list due to the outsized impact of fleet purchases on those numbers, the Camry is the second-best selling car of 2022, behind the RAV4. Honestly, I'm impressed that the humble sedan is holding on as much as it is!
        bdcravens 4y ago
        Pickups are common personal vehicles.
- ajford 4y ago
  There's at least 5 models now in that range new, and the number of EV models now hitting that price range as pre-owned is increasing each year. People have been repeating the "there's no affordable evs" line so long it's now no longer true. https://www.truecar.com/best-cars-trucks/fuel-electric/price-under-35000/ https://www.truecar.com/best-cars-trucks/fuel-electric/price... https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/best-used-electric-cars-under-30000/ https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/best-used-electric-cars-under-...
  - starbase 4y ago
    Subtract $7500 for the federal EV rebate and up to $7500 for state rebates, and some buyers will see starting prices under $15k.
  - hnburnsy 4y ago
    Go ahead and click through, on that top 10 list, only the 2018 Tesla 3 actual had any availability for sale within 50 miles of my location.
    - ajford 4y ago
      Conversely, only the e-golf and Fiat are unavailable within 50 miles of my location in Central Texas. All others have 4-10 vehicles available in my area. The e-golf and fiat are available delivered if I was really dead-set on those. None of that negates my point in any way.
- bdcravens 4y ago
  Averages suggest otherwise: the average new car price in December was $49k, and the average Ford pickup was $66k. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/01/the-average-new-car-price-reached-49075-in-december/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/01/the-average-new-car-pri... If you look at the top 25, many are over that $30k number: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-cars-2022/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-car...

They will be the same people in the blink of an eye. It's almost a certainty.

Casteil 4y ago

...not until more EVs are available in the $20-30k price range. Most people can't afford new vehicles @ $30k+

kcb 4y ago
No one at almost any income level buys small cheap $20k - $30k cars. They take out a loan to buy an F150, RAM, or midsized crossover. Or buy used. *In the US
- nojito 4y ago
  Of course they do. That’s why the Corolla is as popular as it is.
  - kcb 4y ago
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-cars-2022/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=arb_dda_ga_cd_md_bm_prog_org_us_g39628015 https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-car... It's on the list sure, but no sedan is the massive mainstream seller that they used to be.
    - prottog 4y ago
      If we exclude the Big 3 pickups from this list due to the outsized impact of fleet purchases on those numbers, the Camry is the second-best selling car of 2022, behind the RAV4. Honestly, I'm impressed that the humble sedan is holding on as much as it is!
      - bdcravens 4y ago
        Pickups are common personal vehicles.
ajford 4y ago
There's at least 5 models now in that range new, and the number of EV models now hitting that price range as pre-owned is increasing each year. People have been repeating the "there's no affordable evs" line so long it's now no longer true. https://www.truecar.com/best-cars-trucks/fuel-electric/price-under-35000/ https://www.truecar.com/best-cars-trucks/fuel-electric/price... https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/best-used-electric-cars-under-30000/ https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/best-used-electric-cars-under-...
- starbase 4y ago
  Subtract $7500 for the federal EV rebate and up to $7500 for state rebates, and some buyers will see starting prices under $15k.
- hnburnsy 4y ago
  Go ahead and click through, on that top 10 list, only the 2018 Tesla 3 actual had any availability for sale within 50 miles of my location.
  - ajford 4y ago
    Conversely, only the e-golf and Fiat are unavailable within 50 miles of my location in Central Texas. All others have 4-10 vehicles available in my area. The e-golf and fiat are available delivered if I was really dead-set on those. None of that negates my point in any way.
bdcravens 4y ago
Averages suggest otherwise: the average new car price in December was $49k, and the average Ford pickup was $66k. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/01/the-average-new-car-price-reached-49075-in-december/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/01/the-average-new-car-pri... If you look at the top 25, many are over that $30k number: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-cars-2022/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-car...