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There are many other ideals, it borders philosophy actually. For example I can think of (obviously exaggerated) example: everyone lives absolutely happy as the
by deepsun 4y ago
There are many other ideals, it borders philosophy actually.
For example I can think of (obviously exaggerated) example: everyone lives absolutely happy as they are, but climate worsens so much than no one survives. In about 500 million years oceans will boil anyway. But fixing that will require many people to be unhappy.
PS: > what's the point of society?
Survival? Space expansion? Ubermensch / AI? Why, as you say, hedonism is the ultimate goal?
- thesuitonym 4y agoWho said anything about hedonism? How about just making sure everyone has what they need to live comfortably?
- deepsun 4y agoI'm probably using exaggerated word again, sorry, not native speaker. I'm just questioning why "Live comfortably" is an axiom. It's a natural human desire, yes, just as other animals, but I'm not so sure we should maximize that as a society. Many exciting and proud things I did in my life were outside my comfort zone. E.g. a lot of drug addicts can vouch that their current comfort zone is not what they would want, but there's no one around to force them through tears and sweat to change it. Same thing can be said about sugar or, I dunno, comfortable cars. (I'm exaggerating again :)
- bumby 4y agoI think what you're alluding to is the distinction between eudaimonic and hedonic wellbeing.
- blep_ 4y ago"Comfortably" doesn't refer to comfort zones here, but is used in the "without major difficulty" sense (that is, one's needs are met to the point they're not stressed about food/shelter/medical care/etc.)