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> But ofc no-one wants to talk about it Lots of people do! Here is The Atlantic in 2018 talking about “the sex recession”. https://archive.is/onAo7 https://ar

by tyre 4y ago

> But ofc no-one wants to talk about it Lots of people do! Here is The Atlantic in 2018 talking about “the sex recession”. https://archive.is/onAo7 https://archive.is/onAo7 Here is The NY Times in 1997 talking about the decline in sex amount young people: https://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/02/us/sex-activity-by-youths-is-on-decline.html https://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/02/us/sex-activity-by-youths... Or them in 2018 on the same subject: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/health/youth-risk-depression-suicide-opioids.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/health/youth-risk-depress... Or in 2020 on the pandemic’s effect on sex and teens, including things like living at home: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/well/family/for-young-peoples-sexual-health-the-pandemic-changes-the-game.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/well/family/for-young-peo...

RC_ITR 4y ago
>What may be shocking to some people is that this phenomenon applies to people of any gender My point about what people don't talk about (and what those articles also ignore) is that it's not just men watching porn. >Easy access to porn is part of the story, of course; in 2014, 43 percent of men said they’d watched porn in the past week. Pornography is always framed as a men's topic, but I'd argue that's a very incomplete picture of what's going on. EDIT: Maybe I'm being too euphemistic. My point is that no-one is discussing the fact that young hetero men now have to compete against pornography, and many are losing that fight. This is an enormous power shift that has largely gone undiscussed and many young men are unprepared to improve their chances, since they are ignorant to the problem itself (Parents giving out of date advice, etc.)
prohobo 4y ago
You mean journalists noticed a problem and never formulated an idea of the core reason for it, or examined it beyond the surface level realities of what it's done to people? That's what I'm seeing here: A kind of "hmm that's strange... Anyway, incels are evil! Where did they even come from!?" The truth is that modern society sets people up for failure in that regard, in a multitude of ways, and this isn't being talked about.
- havblue 4y ago
  Female mate expectations are a significant part of this topic, but as far as I can tell, it's a third rail. So the incel concept is fair game as you can safely deconstruct unreasonable male expectations, male mediocrity and male criminality without much, if any, backlash.

by tyre 4y ago

RC_ITR 4y ago

>What may be shocking to some people is that this phenomenon applies to people of any gender My point about what people don't talk about (and what those articles also ignore) is that it's not just men watching porn. >Easy access to porn is part of the story, of course; in 2014, 43 percent of men said they’d watched porn in the past week. Pornography is always framed as a men's topic, but I'd argue that's a very incomplete picture of what's going on. EDIT: Maybe I'm being too euphemistic. My point is that no-one is discussing the fact that young hetero men now have to compete against pornography, and many are losing that fight. This is an enormous power shift that has largely gone undiscussed and many young men are unprepared to improve their chances, since they are ignorant to the problem itself (Parents giving out of date advice, etc.)

prohobo 4y ago

You mean journalists noticed a problem and never formulated an idea of the core reason for it, or examined it beyond the surface level realities of what it's done to people? That's what I'm seeing here: A kind of "hmm that's strange... Anyway, incels are evil! Where did they even come from!?" The truth is that modern society sets people up for failure in that regard, in a multitude of ways, and this isn't being talked about.

havblue 4y ago
Female mate expectations are a significant part of this topic, but as far as I can tell, it's a third rail. So the incel concept is fair game as you can safely deconstruct unreasonable male expectations, male mediocrity and male criminality without much, if any, backlash.