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Marx said a lot of things and almost all of them were wrong. Included in Marx's greatest hits are "The most capitalist countries will be the first to fall to

Marx said a lot of things and almost all of them were wrong. Included in Marx's greatest hits are "The most capitalist countries will be the first to fall to communism" when in reality the only two major countries to fall to communism were theocratic monarchies that it would be a struggle to call capitalist. "After the dictatorship of the proletariat the organs of the state will naturally fade away." Yet everytime the proletariat gets into power it seems that the organs of the state only strengthen. "I shouldn't have to work other people should pay for me to continue to live." It turns out Karl never had a job, and spent most of his life mooching off of others, exactly as he accused the capitalists of doing. In fact everything Marx said that could be evaluated against reality turned out to be wrong, so why should I trust the rest of what he said?

nebula8804 4y ago
>"The most capitalist countries will be the first to fall to communism" when in reality the only two major countries to fall to communism were theocratic monarchies that it would be a struggle to call capitalist. Have you seen the trends the US is moving towards? [1]:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/20/eat-the-rich-why-millennials-and-generation-z-have-turned-their-backs-on-capitalism https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/20/eat-the-ric... I think you are writing off this quote too early. Also, the US has gone though this cycle before. When things got near the breaking point the elites threw some crumbs to the rest(eg. Social Security, Medicare). >"After the dictatorship of the proletariat the organs of the state will naturally fade away." Yet everytime the proletariat gets into power it seems that the organs of the state only strengthen. We've never really hit this point in the west because of reasons said above. >"I shouldn't have to work other people should pay for me to continue to live." It turns out Karl never had a job, and spent most of his life mooching off of others, exactly as he accused the capitalists of doing. You could argue Automation is paying capitalists elites to continue to live. Just spread more of that wealth around.
Convolutional 4y ago
Lenin also said communism would be built in the West, not Russia. Circumstances allowed power to fall into the Bolsheviks hands and he decided to take it - to the surprise of Trotsky, Stalin, Zinoviev etc. The second point follows from the first.

nebula8804 4y ago

>"The most capitalist countries will be the first to fall to communism" when in reality the only two major countries to fall to communism were theocratic monarchies that it would be a struggle to call capitalist. Have you seen the trends the US is moving towards? [1]:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/20/eat-the-rich-why-millennials-and-generation-z-have-turned-their-backs-on-capitalism https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/20/eat-the-ric... I think you are writing off this quote too early. Also, the US has gone though this cycle before. When things got near the breaking point the elites threw some crumbs to the rest(eg. Social Security, Medicare). >"After the dictatorship of the proletariat the organs of the state will naturally fade away." Yet everytime the proletariat gets into power it seems that the organs of the state only strengthen. We've never really hit this point in the west because of reasons said above. >"I shouldn't have to work other people should pay for me to continue to live." It turns out Karl never had a job, and spent most of his life mooching off of others, exactly as he accused the capitalists of doing. You could argue Automation is paying capitalists elites to continue to live. Just spread more of that wealth around.

Convolutional 4y ago

Lenin also said communism would be built in the West, not Russia. Circumstances allowed power to fall into the Bolsheviks hands and he decided to take it - to the surprise of Trotsky, Stalin, Zinoviev etc. The second point follows from the first.