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ed is still the standard editor.
by hestefisk 4y ago
ed is still the standard editor.
- VWWHFSfQ 4y agowhat do you mean by standard editor
- mstevens 4y agoProbably a reference to https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html
- mrweasel 4y agoThe POSIX standard defines ed as one of the editors that must be present for a system to be standard complaint, the other being vi I believe. You can always expect ed to be available to you on a Unix system.
- doubled112 4y agoThis was initially why I learned enough of the vi keybinds to get by. You can expect it to be there.
- znpy 4y agoYou can expect that on a unix system that has applied, paid and received the unix certification. Most linux distros (and most BSDs afaik) are not unix certified. MacOS is, for that matter.
- zinekeller 4y agoPOSIX != Unix (the certification) It is true that all certified Unix systems follows POSIX, but it doesn't mean that non-certified systems are forbidden to follow POSIX. Most Linux distributions have ways to turn to 98% compliant, and BSDs have always strive to follow POSIX. Weird fact: POSIX was actually named by RMS.
- chungy 4y agoOpenBSD was fairly anti-POSIX in the past. I don't know if that's relaxed at all, but they very much do not chase after it.
- krylon 4y agoBut they do have ed, vi (plus ex), and mg (which is not standard but nice to have) in their base system.
- chungy 3y agoTwo of those programs predate POSIX and do not indicate that OpenBSD follows POSIX. They are making their operating system to the design they like best. Some of it happens to coincide with what POSIX asks for, but it is merely coincidental.
- krylon 3y agoI vaguely recall some interview with or blog post / talk by an OpenBSD developer, where they said that POSIX tended towards adopting whatever GNU/Linux did, and that the BSD crowd's interests were not taken into consideration that much. I don't know much about the process behind POSIX/SUS, but I can understand how OpenBSD developers wouldn't be super enthusiastic about POSIX compliance if they felt their input was falling on deaf ears. FWIW, I did use the SUS as my main reference when writing a few hobby projects, and OpenBSD gave me no problems whatsoever. macOS, on the other hand, which is a certified Unix, did not support barriers at the time (that was ~10 years ago, I have no idea if Apple added support since). (I know barriers are optional, but come on.)
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- msla 4y agoInspur K-UX is a Linux distribution that is officially a Unix.
- fdschonborn 4y agoOpenEuler, Huawei's version of RHEL, is also UNIX-certified.
- krylon 4y agoI wonder what benefit the certification has these days. IIUC, it used to be a requirement for contracts from large corporations and government agencies, but these days the number of commercial Unix systems is fairly small, and RHEL is so common in those environments, I wonder if it there's still places where it's required.
- edgyquant 4y agoThey still have ed though, do they not?
- zinekeller 4y agoed: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799.2018edition/utilities/ed.html https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799.2018edition... vi: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799.2018edition/utilities/vi.html https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799.2018edition...
- chasil 4y agoYou can see all of the utilities this way. The ex editor is also standard. https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/ https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/
- madars 4y agoTIL: busybox has ed and vi but not ex. https://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html https://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html (so ex might be nice to learn but it might be not available on common systems like OpenWRT)
- wahern 3y agoTechnically, vi and ex are part of the User Portability Utilities extension.
- 64operator 3y agoEven DOS and VMS had ed, I'm sure other OSs too.
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- adl 4y agoHere: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html
- cperciva 4y agoAnd there's even a book about it, in case anyone has trouble figuring out how to use ed: https://www.tiltedwindmillpress.com/product/ed/ https://www.tiltedwindmillpress.com/product/ed/
- codetrotter 4y agoLove the books by mwl. Have physical copies of several of them, and the whole bunch of the ebook versions. Currently reading one of the physical copies. The one about Ed I have in ebook format only and didn’t read it yet. Will get to that one after I finish reading the physical books that I have from him.