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> These days laptop PCs are unreliable across most brands I have tried and supplied with crapware and the operating system is hostile and forces stuff like OneD

> These days laptop PCs are unreliable across most brands I have tried and supplied with crapware and the operating system is hostile and forces stuff like OneDrive on you and begs you not to install Chrome. That is true but Apple's OneDrive equivalent thing iCloud is the same way, they even show fake red notifications on program icons to make you sign into iCloud and use dark patterns to make you use iCloud. They don't push Safari as much but they've been stagnating it on purpose across all their products to protect their App Store revenue, which is quite the turn off. Apple's hardware can also have problems as evidenced on here and forums but overall might be better than a cheaper laptop, just like PC laptops. Anyway my two biggest reasons for not going with a MacBook were that I think a touchscreen should be a mandatory as an option in 2023(at least for tapping on links etc. if not multitouch) and being able to play specific FPS titles in a pinch(like in a hotel while traveling) which are not available on the Mac. I was able to get an OLED HDR touchscreen running at 120hz which is gorgeous.

Dalewyn 4y ago
As an avid Windows wizard who strongly dislikes Apple, I will give credit where credit is due: Apple's shit Just Fucking Works(tm). Seriously, they just work. An M1 or M2 Macbook Air is the ideal laptop and computer for the vast majority of people. Games? There are game consoles for games, which also Just Fucking Work(tm).
- mikhael28 4y ago
  You can also play a decent amount of games on M1 Macs, but nothing spectacular or amazing. They can emulate almost anything with DirectX 11, but 12 is just not operational in any way at all. Most emulators work swimmingly.
  - EricE 4y ago
    Crossover - a commercial implementation of WINE by CodeWeavers - is indeed amazing!
whynotminot 4y ago
> They don't push Safari as much but they've been stagnating it on purpose across all their products to protect their App Store revenue, which is quite the turn off. Uhh, citation needed. You think the webkit team is just sitting on their hands because of some upper management mandate? edit: Don't just downvote me. Provide some evidence for this take.
scarface74 4y ago
Them not pushing Safari to increase App Store revenue makes no sense if you just give it one second of thought. 80%+ of App Store revenue comes from games an in app purchases in games according to the Epic trial. Those wouldn’t be web apps anyway. Also if it were just Safari and iOS that’s keeping web apps from becoming popular, then why are companies creating web apps, iOS apps and Android apps instead of telling Android users to just use the web app? Finally, outside of games, most revenue that flows through apps are either based on advertising or payments for subscriptions outside of the App Store. Many streaming services for instance have stopped allowing in app purchases ages ago.

Dalewyn 4y ago

As an avid Windows wizard who strongly dislikes Apple, I will give credit where credit is due: Apple's shit Just Fucking Works(tm). Seriously, they just work. An M1 or M2 Macbook Air is the ideal laptop and computer for the vast majority of people. Games? There are game consoles for games, which also Just Fucking Work(tm).

mikhael28 4y ago
You can also play a decent amount of games on M1 Macs, but nothing spectacular or amazing. They can emulate almost anything with DirectX 11, but 12 is just not operational in any way at all. Most emulators work swimmingly.
- EricE 4y ago
  Crossover - a commercial implementation of WINE by CodeWeavers - is indeed amazing!

whynotminot 4y ago

> They don't push Safari as much but they've been stagnating it on purpose across all their products to protect their App Store revenue, which is quite the turn off. Uhh, citation needed. You think the webkit team is just sitting on their hands because of some upper management mandate? edit: Don't just downvote me. Provide some evidence for this take.

scarface74 4y ago

Them not pushing Safari to increase App Store revenue makes no sense if you just give it one second of thought. 80%+ of App Store revenue comes from games an in app purchases in games according to the Epic trial. Those wouldn’t be web apps anyway. Also if it were just Safari and iOS that’s keeping web apps from becoming popular, then why are companies creating web apps, iOS apps and Android apps instead of telling Android users to just use the web app? Finally, outside of games, most revenue that flows through apps are either based on advertising or payments for subscriptions outside of the App Store. Many streaming services for instance have stopped allowing in app purchases ages ago.