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Do you presume the homeless have become so due to their intrinsic criminal tendencies? If that's the case, any citizen has a legitimate objection against crime,

Do you presume the homeless have become so due to their intrinsic criminal tendencies? If that's the case, any citizen has a legitimate objection against crime, so there is no solution to homelessness other than segregating them into some walled of, far away city.

troon-lover 4y ago
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bluGill 4y ago
You cannot talk about the homeless as some monolithic group of people that are all the same. Some of them are schizophrenic and their nature is crime because their brain is haywire. Some of them are addicts (both legal and illegal) who would be nice people if given treatment for their problem. Some are at nice people, but they are at the bottom of the intelligence chart (not to be confused with IQ, but instead what people think of as intelligence despite it not being well defined) and mentally unable to hold a job that could support themselves. There is a lot more, but I'm not a homeless expert. The above are just specific people I know (either family or family of close friends). Some homeless are also criminals, some are not. Some of the criminals would turn away from crime if given the proper help, some will not. Some of them will refuse help unless it is forced on them - we have as a society rejected the needed force because of rampant abuse in the past. Each situation is different. Some of them are easy to solve - most are not.
golergka 4y ago
No. I presume that low-income neighbourhoods have higher crime rates than high-income neighbourhoods, which is universally backed up by statistics.
- cornholio 4y ago
  That's circular reasoning. We get it, you don't want to be poor, nobody wants that, but it's not entirely clear why society should humor your desire to concentrate crime in areas other than where you reside. If anything, crime in rich areas should be more tolerable since rich people have higher capacity to defend themselves, higher economic tolerance to property crime (are insured, have savings etc.), and higher political influence to have something done about it, leading to less crime overall. I.e crime is not a characteristic of poverty or the poor, but a specific policy failure in dealing with it.

troon-lover 4y ago

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bluGill 4y ago

You cannot talk about the homeless as some monolithic group of people that are all the same. Some of them are schizophrenic and their nature is crime because their brain is haywire. Some of them are addicts (both legal and illegal) who would be nice people if given treatment for their problem. Some are at nice people, but they are at the bottom of the intelligence chart (not to be confused with IQ, but instead what people think of as intelligence despite it not being well defined) and mentally unable to hold a job that could support themselves. There is a lot more, but I'm not a homeless expert. The above are just specific people I know (either family or family of close friends). Some homeless are also criminals, some are not. Some of the criminals would turn away from crime if given the proper help, some will not. Some of them will refuse help unless it is forced on them - we have as a society rejected the needed force because of rampant abuse in the past. Each situation is different. Some of them are easy to solve - most are not.

golergka 4y ago

No. I presume that low-income neighbourhoods have higher crime rates than high-income neighbourhoods, which is universally backed up by statistics.

cornholio 4y ago
That's circular reasoning. We get it, you don't want to be poor, nobody wants that, but it's not entirely clear why society should humor your desire to concentrate crime in areas other than where you reside. If anything, crime in rich areas should be more tolerable since rich people have higher capacity to defend themselves, higher economic tolerance to property crime (are insured, have savings etc.), and higher political influence to have something done about it, leading to less crime overall. I.e crime is not a characteristic of poverty or the poor, but a specific policy failure in dealing with it.