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Just looked at it, and it certainly is. I mean Apple was always more expensive, but the difference is just huge now. For me 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD is kind of the
by fabian2k 4y ago
Just looked at it, and it certainly is. I mean Apple was always more expensive, but the difference is just huge now.
For me 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD is kind of the minimum (I would buy 32GB RAM if I can get it for a fair price). I can get that for less than 1000 EUR as a Windows/Linux notebook with reasonably good quality. For Apple it seems to start at 2300 EUR with these specs, and that is for relatively small screen sizes which doesn't match my preference. Of course there are many more differences here, but this seems to be kind of the price floor for reasonable specs.
- threeseed 4y ago> I can get that for less than 1000 EUR Please by all means provide a link. Often when you see these sort of comparisons it's low spec screens, memory + SSDs.
- qumpis 4y agoYes, I have no idea why people are comparing apple's excellent hardware to gaming laptops with wobbly hinges and inefficient CPUs that are intended for different purpose altogether. All tech in Europe is costlier. Check Dell 2023 XPS lineup and compare to macbooks - it won't get come out cheaper.
- nightski 4y agoHmm, my gaming oriented laptop (not what I use it for) does not have wobbly hinges at all, and I find the aluminum on the macs far more susceptible to dings and crap than the hardshell of the PC laptop.
- adriancr 4y agoHere's one under 1000e: https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/917297/asus-zenbook-14-um425qa-ki174w.html https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/917297/asus-zenbook-14-um... If you spend 1250e you can get oled screens which are nicer then apple https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/904043/asus-zenbook-14-um3402ya-km115w.html https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/904043/asus-zenbook-14-um...
- ericpauley 4y ago> 1080p screen Not the same. 1080 would be unbearable compared to a MacBook pro screen at 14” (3024x1964). Edit: the oled one has acceptable resolution. I don’t see any specs on the ssd though so it may be SATA junk. The problem with other manufacturers is that they aggressively skimp in all the places people don’t look. Part of what you get for the Apple tax is some assurance that’s not happening.
- adriancr 4y agoApple is close to double the price though for an arguably worse display compared to the oled one. So OP is right in that options are present that are cheaper and perhaps better for his use case. edit: oled laptop comes comes with PM9A1 ssd which has 7GB reads, 5GB writes which is faster then Apple too (apple has 5GB reads, 4GB writes).
- deafpolygon 4y ago> Part of what you get for the Apple tax is some assurance that’s not happening. Oh boy. I suppose selling a "PC" (iMac, Mac Mini, etc) at desktop prices with laptop internals isn't skimping. Meanwhile I built a PC for 1/4 of what it would cost me to build an equivalent Mac Pro a few years ago. It still stands up to the M2 chip today. I'll probably be rocking this one for another 5 years.
- fabian2k 4y agoI can switch out the SSD easily on regular notebooks, and in most notebooks I bought I did that as it was easier to match the specs to what I want that way. I cannot do that on a MacBook, so the huge cost for larger RAM and SSD is a big disadvantage. And we're not talking about a bit of money here, Macbooks with reasonable specs start at around double the cost of a better mainstream PC notebook.
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- wtallis 4y ago> I don’t see any specs on the ssd though so it may be SATA junk. PC OEMs stopped using SATA SSDs years ago. Entry-level NVMe SSDs are both cheaper and faster than SATA SSDs built around the same quantity and type of flash.
- fabian2k 4y agohttps://geizhals.de/lenovo-ideapad-5-pro-16ach6-storm-grey-82l5001nge-a2540659.html https://geizhals.de/lenovo-ideapad-5-pro-16ach6-storm-grey-8... That's the one I have, or at least similar. It's obviously not the same as a MacBook, but the screen is a 16:10 high-resolution, though not Retina one with good quality. People care about different things, and Full HD screens at ~14-15" is perfectly fine for many people. And you can get that for even cheaper than what I mentioned.
- threeseed 4y agoPretty substantial difference in CPU performance. MacBook Pro 14: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21032882 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21032882 AMD Ryzen 7: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21032882 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21032882
- dagmx 4y agoFwiw both your links are the same.
- nickpp 4y agoBattery life is a huge advantage of the current MacBook hardware, unparalleled in the non-Apple laptop land.