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> measures to remedy privacy breach concerns to the Italian regulator. Nothing about ip theft tho. I suppose it's about time we update open source licenses to

> measures to remedy privacy breach concerns to the Italian regulator. Nothing about ip theft tho. I suppose it's about time we update open source licenses to include a clause banning ai product training.

fomine3 4y ago
why
- gumballindie 4y ago
  coz reselling code without permission is not OK
  - fomine3 4y ago
    It's okay to make it closed source if you want
    - gumballindie 4y ago
      Nah, I'll report ip theft as soon as my license is violated.
      - UncleEntity 4y ago
        Report to whom, the IP Police?
        jacquesm 4y ago
        In a way, yes. You file suit for infringement of your license and assuming your pockets are deep enough you should - no guarantees - prevail in court and get some kind of injunction out of it. More likely though is that the other party would try to settle. Copyright is a pretty strong set of laws.
        gumballindie 4y ago
        To whoever ip theft is reported to.
satvikpendem 4y ago
Then the license wouldn't be open source anymore. You'd be restricting the freedom of the user to do anything they want with your code, including training an AI. You're of course free to want that but again, that makes your license not open source.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  That's nonsense. For instance the AGPL famously closes the SaaS loophole but it is still an open source license. Open Source does not mean 'anything you want to do with my code'. It's a specifically enumerated set of rights.
- gumballindie 4y ago
  Sorry - freedom doesn't mean stealing code and integrating into a commercial product, which is what openai's chatgpt is. If you wish to do so then you _must_ respect the terms of the license agreement. Anything else is theft. Licenses should be updated accordingly, or action taken. You can't just go around, ingest people's code (probably commercially licensed code that's being sent by unaware or inexperienced developers on a daily basis via open ai's "coding" tools, likely including sensitive data), and then spew it out - modified or not. Licenses are quite clear. Even if you modify code, in any way shape or form, you _must_ at least include the original license or the whole code or not do it at all. Wether chat gpt's machine learning tools are "intelligent" or not, these are software products that violate the terms of most open source products out there.

fomine3 4y ago

why

gumballindie 4y ago
coz reselling code without permission is not OK
- fomine3 4y ago
  It's okay to make it closed source if you want
  - gumballindie 4y ago
    Nah, I'll report ip theft as soon as my license is violated.
    - UncleEntity 4y ago
      Report to whom, the IP Police?
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        In a way, yes. You file suit for infringement of your license and assuming your pockets are deep enough you should - no guarantees - prevail in court and get some kind of injunction out of it. More likely though is that the other party would try to settle. Copyright is a pretty strong set of laws.
      - gumballindie 4y ago
        To whoever ip theft is reported to.

satvikpendem 4y ago

Then the license wouldn't be open source anymore. You'd be restricting the freedom of the user to do anything they want with your code, including training an AI. You're of course free to want that but again, that makes your license not open source.

jacquesm 4y ago
That's nonsense. For instance the AGPL famously closes the SaaS loophole but it is still an open source license. Open Source does not mean 'anything you want to do with my code'. It's a specifically enumerated set of rights.
gumballindie 4y ago
Sorry - freedom doesn't mean stealing code and integrating into a commercial product, which is what openai's chatgpt is. If you wish to do so then you _must_ respect the terms of the license agreement. Anything else is theft. Licenses should be updated accordingly, or action taken. You can't just go around, ingest people's code (probably commercially licensed code that's being sent by unaware or inexperienced developers on a daily basis via open ai's "coding" tools, likely including sensitive data), and then spew it out - modified or not. Licenses are quite clear. Even if you modify code, in any way shape or form, you _must_ at least include the original license or the whole code or not do it at all. Wether chat gpt's machine learning tools are "intelligent" or not, these are software products that violate the terms of most open source products out there.