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An ebike ridden 10,000 km a year beats a bike ridden 2000 though.

eesmith 4y ago
How are you making that comparison? Do you mean an ebike ridden 2,000 km for errands and 8,000 km for fun; vs. the 2,000 km for the bike, for errands, but no biking for fun? That is, are you implying that the ebike is a lot more fun than a regular bike? Or are you comparing 10,000 km on an ebike; vs. a bike ridden 2,00 km and some other personal vehicle used for 8,000 km? That is, are you implying that a human-powered bike means people will overall use worse forms of transport? Or do you mean something else?
- MayeulC 4y ago
  I think the implication is that commuting longer distances (20km+) is doable on an e-bike. My commute is 10km (300m uphill) on a regular bike, but I have access to a shower. If I didn't, I don't think I could do it on a regular bike. In general, it's able to displace longer trips (other than biking for fun) than a non-electric bike.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    > In general, it's able to displace longer trips (other than biking for fun) than a non-electric bike. Exactly. Since converting to an e-bike, I am using it 4x as much. Especially in the summer, it changes from a sweaty trip to a pleasant one. Those tips would normally be public transport. 10K sounds a bit ambitious, but myself and a friend are on track to exceed 3K. This whole discussion is splitting hairs -> out of a single electric car, you can make 150 ebikes. A good ebike battery is 0.5 KWh, a an electric car is ~80 KWh. An electric car might weigh 1500 KG and an ebike like 15. So really it seems the conclusion should be that the ebikes are overpriced and they should cost $500 if their productions was automated like production of cars is.
- manuelmoreale 4y ago
  I think they mean that you could end up using an ebike in situations where normally you’d use a car or some other form of transportation.
  - eesmith 4y ago
    What confuses me is the leadup is about getting an ebike, vs. an ecar or emotorbike. Not about getting both a(n e)bike AND some other more ecologically damaging form of transport.
dmos62 4y ago
10k km a year on a bike means riding it for more than an hour every workday. Not a lot of people willing to do that, i think. If that were truly the breakeven distance (i know you didn't really say that) ebikes would be screwed in terms of ecological impact.
- Xylakant 4y ago
  That’s half an hour to work, half an hour back. Not outlandish, if you compare normal commutes.
  - eesmith 4y ago
    Assuming 250 work days (50 weeks * 5 days), that's 40km/day. I don't think most people bike at 40km/hour. Across a year, that averages to 27.4 km per day, biking each and every day. If done in an hour, that's rather faster than my average biking speed of about 16 kph.
  - dmos62 4y ago
    I said more than an hour. I think an hour on a bike is something most people can stomach easily, but it gets annoying fast once you go above that.
- CalRobert 4y ago
  I did 50 minutes each way in LA, from Santa Monica to El Segundo. I loved it, except for the parts with cars.

How are you making that comparison? Do you mean an ebike ridden 2,000 km for errands and 8,000 km for fun; vs. the 2,000 km for the bike, for errands, but no biking for fun? That is, are you implying that the ebike is a lot more fun than a regular bike? Or are you comparing 10,000 km on an ebike; vs. a bike ridden 2,00 km and some other personal vehicle used for 8,000 km? That is, are you implying that a human-powered bike means people will overall use worse forms of transport? Or do you mean something else?

MayeulC 4y ago
I think the implication is that commuting longer distances (20km+) is doable on an e-bike. My commute is 10km (300m uphill) on a regular bike, but I have access to a shower. If I didn't, I don't think I could do it on a regular bike. In general, it's able to displace longer trips (other than biking for fun) than a non-electric bike.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  > In general, it's able to displace longer trips (other than biking for fun) than a non-electric bike. Exactly. Since converting to an e-bike, I am using it 4x as much. Especially in the summer, it changes from a sweaty trip to a pleasant one. Those tips would normally be public transport. 10K sounds a bit ambitious, but myself and a friend are on track to exceed 3K. This whole discussion is splitting hairs -> out of a single electric car, you can make 150 ebikes. A good ebike battery is 0.5 KWh, a an electric car is ~80 KWh. An electric car might weigh 1500 KG and an ebike like 15. So really it seems the conclusion should be that the ebikes are overpriced and they should cost $500 if their productions was automated like production of cars is.
manuelmoreale 4y ago
I think they mean that you could end up using an ebike in situations where normally you’d use a car or some other form of transportation.
- eesmith 4y ago
  What confuses me is the leadup is about getting an ebike, vs. an ecar or emotorbike. Not about getting both a(n e)bike AND some other more ecologically damaging form of transport.

dmos62 4y ago

10k km a year on a bike means riding it for more than an hour every workday. Not a lot of people willing to do that, i think. If that were truly the breakeven distance (i know you didn't really say that) ebikes would be screwed in terms of ecological impact.

Xylakant 4y ago
That’s half an hour to work, half an hour back. Not outlandish, if you compare normal commutes.
- eesmith 4y ago
  Assuming 250 work days (50 weeks * 5 days), that's 40km/day. I don't think most people bike at 40km/hour. Across a year, that averages to 27.4 km per day, biking each and every day. If done in an hour, that's rather faster than my average biking speed of about 16 kph.
- dmos62 4y ago
  I said more than an hour. I think an hour on a bike is something most people can stomach easily, but it gets annoying fast once you go above that.
CalRobert 4y ago
I did 50 minutes each way in LA, from Santa Monica to El Segundo. I loved it, except for the parts with cars.