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If companies cannot stand for something, they'll fall for anything. That's the problem with Google (remember "don't be evil"?), Facebook (or, Meta) and Apple as

If companies cannot stand for something, they'll fall for anything. That's the problem with Google (remember "don't be evil"?), Facebook (or, Meta) and Apple as well. Companies are not structured to care, even from a regulatory perspective. They are structured to make money and regulated by a set of democratic principles. While what you're saying may well be true, it doesn't prevent bad influences from compromising values you think are immutable. We worship Bell Labs on this website too, but their company culture and "hacker identity" didn't prevent Room 641A from happening. This "unlikely in Apple's case" business seems so baseless when the entire industry wears indecision on it's sleeve. Even Apple cannot promise human rights to all of their customers, loathe as this site is to hear it.

MichaelZuo 4y ago
> Even Apple cannot promise human rights all of their customers I'm not aware of a single case where Apple on-the-record promised to customers anything so abstract. Can you link to one example?
- smoldesu 4y ago
  > I'm not aware of a single case where Apple on-the-record promised to customers anything so abstract. Then it would seem that my original statement is correct, no?
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    "cannot" and "has not" have different meanings.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      Apple cannot promise human rights to all of their customers. They can believe in certain things (eg. "gay marriage" or "privacy is a human right") but they will forsake these values when enough money is put on the table. This is because (as the parent originally said) Apple's foremost priority is money; we can smile and pretend these things don't butt-up against each other, but then you have to justify things like Apple's Chinese Mainland policy. They do not co-exist peacefully, greed has consistently cannibalized them without a second thought.
      - MichaelZuo 4y ago
        Did you intend to reply to a different comment? This doesn't seem relevant to my last 2 comments.

MichaelZuo 4y ago

> Even Apple cannot promise human rights all of their customers I'm not aware of a single case where Apple on-the-record promised to customers anything so abstract. Can you link to one example?

smoldesu 4y ago
> I'm not aware of a single case where Apple on-the-record promised to customers anything so abstract. Then it would seem that my original statement is correct, no?
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  "cannot" and "has not" have different meanings.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Apple cannot promise human rights to all of their customers. They can believe in certain things (eg. "gay marriage" or "privacy is a human right") but they will forsake these values when enough money is put on the table. This is because (as the parent originally said) Apple's foremost priority is money; we can smile and pretend these things don't butt-up against each other, but then you have to justify things like Apple's Chinese Mainland policy. They do not co-exist peacefully, greed has consistently cannibalized them without a second thought.
    - MichaelZuo 4y ago
      Did you intend to reply to a different comment? This doesn't seem relevant to my last 2 comments.