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Just a heads up: "crypto Jew" is also an antisemitic buzz word, which is why I suspect the linked article says "hidden" instead.

LudwigNagasena 4y ago
That is getting so tiring. How are normal people supposed to navigate in this world where normal words[1] and expressions are constantly being re-analyzed as fascist dogwhistles? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-Judaism
- sdrothrock 4y ago
  My general impression, possibly out of ignorance, has been that there have always been lots of these and people (read: me) were just unaware of them. Some, like this (and "88" on usernames) are sometimes (often?) legitimate but have also been used as dog whistles... and fascism stains everything it touches.
  - maxbond 4y ago
    Indeed, it's the fascists and bigots who appropriate words and employ ever shifting rhetoric to avoid being labeled as fascists or bigots and to try and conflate their ideology with as many pre-existing ideas as possible who are to blame for this linguistic treadmill, and not the people who point out that dog whistles are real. In the same way security researchers are not responsible for security vulnerabilities, but may take heat for pointing them out. That being said, just because they try to appropriate the terms doesn't mean it has to work. They can be reappropriated back to their original meaning.
    - decremental 4y ago
      The vast majority of it is just to rustle the jimmies of people who use terms like fascist. The more butthurt people get about it the more you'll see it happen. They're not actually fascist dog whistles. It's them signaling to each other that they're not one of you.
      - watwut 4y ago
        That is not true. They use these terms among themselves to denote things. Their opposition is not intended audience at all. Moreover, when unopposed, nazi and antisemitism do not die out. Instead, they get stronger and larger in numbers. It is an actual ideology and those who believe it are actively trying to spread it.
        decremental 4y ago
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        jutrewag 4y ago
        Anything spreads easily if there is enough propaganda directed towards it.
        decremental 4y ago
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- onetokeoverthe 4y ago
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- watwut 4y ago
  I heard crypto-jew as insult to pro-jew (read anti-anti-semitic) fairly frequently and did not heard it in any other context. It is not "reanalyzed" as such. It is that antisemitic use it as such.
- jutrewag 4y ago
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- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  Same way you navigate everything else, by paying attention and making frequent and small adjustments as you acquire new information? You chose a good metaphor: selecting a straight line and expecting not to deviate from it is not "navigation" in any useful sense.
25throw25 4y ago
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- maxbond 4y ago
  FYI your comments were probably flagged because it's a fresh account. I've seen it with entirely innocuous posts from brand new accounts before. You're right that it's not antisemitic but you've got some details wrong (that kinda make it sound antisemitic as it happens). They specifically hid their identity to flee the Inquisition, it's not some kind of ongoing deception. They generally don't identify as Jews or worship at temples or practice Judaism but have fossilized customs light lighting the candles on Saturday evenings and such. Sometimes people convert to Judaism to reclaim that aspect of their heritage. But it's easy to see how the idea of Jews as deceptive plays into antisemitic narratives, no?
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    Nah, some green accounts do have some sort of “shadowban” until they get vouched but they usually just appear only as [dead]. I’m pretty sure [flagged] comments are specifically user flagged, but correct me if I’m wrong.
    - maxbond 4y ago
      Yeah that's right afaik, good point. I bet the flag threshold on green accounts is super low though, probably just 1.
26throw26 4y ago
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27throw27 4y ago
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throw19999999 4y ago
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NelsonMinar 4y ago
ugh thanks for the warning, I'd forgotten about the hate speech. No doubt they use "hidden Jew" hatefully too.

LudwigNagasena 4y ago

That is getting so tiring. How are normal people supposed to navigate in this world where normal words[1] and expressions are constantly being re-analyzed as fascist dogwhistles? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-Judaism

sdrothrock 4y ago
My general impression, possibly out of ignorance, has been that there have always been lots of these and people (read: me) were just unaware of them. Some, like this (and "88" on usernames) are sometimes (often?) legitimate but have also been used as dog whistles... and fascism stains everything it touches.
- maxbond 4y ago
  Indeed, it's the fascists and bigots who appropriate words and employ ever shifting rhetoric to avoid being labeled as fascists or bigots and to try and conflate their ideology with as many pre-existing ideas as possible who are to blame for this linguistic treadmill, and not the people who point out that dog whistles are real. In the same way security researchers are not responsible for security vulnerabilities, but may take heat for pointing them out. That being said, just because they try to appropriate the terms doesn't mean it has to work. They can be reappropriated back to their original meaning.
  - decremental 4y ago
    The vast majority of it is just to rustle the jimmies of people who use terms like fascist. The more butthurt people get about it the more you'll see it happen. They're not actually fascist dog whistles. It's them signaling to each other that they're not one of you.
    - watwut 4y ago
      That is not true. They use these terms among themselves to denote things. Their opposition is not intended audience at all. Moreover, when unopposed, nazi and antisemitism do not die out. Instead, they get stronger and larger in numbers. It is an actual ideology and those who believe it are actively trying to spread it.
      - decremental 4y ago
        [flagged]
        jutrewag 4y ago
        Anything spreads easily if there is enough propaganda directed towards it.
        decremental 4y ago
        [flagged]
onetokeoverthe 4y ago
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watwut 4y ago
I heard crypto-jew as insult to pro-jew (read anti-anti-semitic) fairly frequently and did not heard it in any other context. It is not "reanalyzed" as such. It is that antisemitic use it as such.
jutrewag 4y ago
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giraffe_lady 4y ago
Same way you navigate everything else, by paying attention and making frequent and small adjustments as you acquire new information? You chose a good metaphor: selecting a straight line and expecting not to deviate from it is not "navigation" in any useful sense.

25throw25 4y ago

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maxbond 4y ago
FYI your comments were probably flagged because it's a fresh account. I've seen it with entirely innocuous posts from brand new accounts before. You're right that it's not antisemitic but you've got some details wrong (that kinda make it sound antisemitic as it happens). They specifically hid their identity to flee the Inquisition, it's not some kind of ongoing deception. They generally don't identify as Jews or worship at temples or practice Judaism but have fossilized customs light lighting the candles on Saturday evenings and such. Sometimes people convert to Judaism to reclaim that aspect of their heritage. But it's easy to see how the idea of Jews as deceptive plays into antisemitic narratives, no?
- the_only_law 4y ago
  Nah, some green accounts do have some sort of “shadowban” until they get vouched but they usually just appear only as [dead]. I’m pretty sure [flagged] comments are specifically user flagged, but correct me if I’m wrong.
  - maxbond 4y ago
    Yeah that's right afaik, good point. I bet the flag threshold on green accounts is super low though, probably just 1.

26throw26 4y ago

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27throw27 4y ago

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throw19999999 4y ago

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NelsonMinar 4y ago

ugh thanks for the warning, I'd forgotten about the hate speech. No doubt they use "hidden Jew" hatefully too.