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Again, you’re saying that it’s cheap, but then responding to criticism they’re bespoke by presenting an untested technology that has further lead time delays an

Again, you’re saying that it’s cheap, but then responding to criticism they’re bespoke by presenting an untested technology that has further lead time delays and may even be vapourwear. You still can’t spin up an industrial base in less than 5-10 years, and there sure as hell isn’t the political will to ask the Chinese to build it for us

arcticbull 4y ago
I didn't say it was cheap. I said current nuclear reactor technology is cheaper than a mix of renewables and lithium batteries. They're both quite expensive, and headline renewable 'low costs' exclude storage. But that's ok, I think the fact it's expensive isn't a reason to avoid either of them. I then said that we can also make it significantly cheaper than it is to construct nuclear plants, and offered a path presented by someone very knowledgeable about the space. Jigar Shah from DOE. [1] > ... but then responding to criticism they’re bespoke by presenting an untested technology that has further lead time delays and may even be vapourwear. What untested technology lol, nuclear has been around since 1955. I'm talking about layouts. > You still can’t spin up an industrial base in less than 5-10 years, and there sure as hell isn’t the political will to ask the Chinese to build it for us That's ok just get the Canadians to do it. Check out the CANDU family. [2] And you know all those solar panels are being made in China right? 85% of all panels - 45% of polysilicon comes from Xinjiang. So that's exactly what is being done. [3] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRmlcsqHtk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRmlcsqHtk [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU_reactor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU_reactor [3] https://www.utilitydive.com/news/china-made-solar-pv-created-imbalanced-global-supply-iea/627021/ https://www.utilitydive.com/news/china-made-solar-pv-created...
- panick21_ 4y ago
  They are actually quite cheap. I did some basic calculations on what it would have cost Germany if they in 2000 had started a the 'Gründewende' with nuclear. And it would have been massively cheaper then what they have been doing. Modern CANDU reactors can be really great. There is some new Thorium/Uranium based fuel that will revolutionize CANDU operations. One of the biggest issues with CANDU is that it high labor cost to change the fuel bundles. Some new fuels will allow the reduction of those operations by like 4x, saving on labor cost.

arcticbull 4y ago

I didn't say it was cheap. I said current nuclear reactor technology is cheaper than a mix of renewables and lithium batteries. They're both quite expensive, and headline renewable 'low costs' exclude storage. But that's ok, I think the fact it's expensive isn't a reason to avoid either of them. I then said that we can also make it significantly cheaper than it is to construct nuclear plants, and offered a path presented by someone very knowledgeable about the space. Jigar Shah from DOE. [1] > ... but then responding to criticism they’re bespoke by presenting an untested technology that has further lead time delays and may even be vapourwear. What untested technology lol, nuclear has been around since 1955. I'm talking about layouts. > You still can’t spin up an industrial base in less than 5-10 years, and there sure as hell isn’t the political will to ask the Chinese to build it for us That's ok just get the Canadians to do it. Check out the CANDU family. [2] And you know all those solar panels are being made in China right? 85% of all panels - 45% of polysilicon comes from Xinjiang. So that's exactly what is being done. [3] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRmlcsqHtk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRmlcsqHtk [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU_reactor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU_reactor [3] https://www.utilitydive.com/news/china-made-solar-pv-created-imbalanced-global-supply-iea/627021/ https://www.utilitydive.com/news/china-made-solar-pv-created...

panick21_ 4y ago
They are actually quite cheap. I did some basic calculations on what it would have cost Germany if they in 2000 had started a the 'Gründewende' with nuclear. And it would have been massively cheaper then what they have been doing. Modern CANDU reactors can be really great. There is some new Thorium/Uranium based fuel that will revolutionize CANDU operations. One of the biggest issues with CANDU is that it high labor cost to change the fuel bundles. Some new fuels will allow the reduction of those operations by like 4x, saving on labor cost.