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Comments like this are unhelpful and unproductive. That team is totally independent and does some great work and has continued to be a totally community driven

Comments like this are unhelpful and unproductive. That team is totally independent and does some great work and has continued to be a totally community driven project.

snerbles 4y ago
Some people want to avoid tying their own projects to certain vendors, and this information is helpful to them. See also Oracle, IBM, etc. Microsoft has done quite a lot to rehabilitate their image, a decade ago few would be so quick to defend them.
- squarefoot 4y ago
  > Microsoft has done quite a lot to rehabilitate their image I don't want to sound as a anti-MS fanboy, but that's the standard procedure when you get to the point "If you can't beat them...". Microsoft isn't to be trusted just because they're a business, but because like many others they're after profits above anything else. Just look at how they turned a potentially very decent OS (Windows 7) into worse privacy nightmare at every new version. I simply don't want them to mess with Linux.
  - snerbles 4y ago
    Oh absolutely. Many of us remember EEE[0], but many more have forgotten - or never learned in the first place. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...
  - sshine 4y ago
    I was recently forced to use Windows at work. I’ve since found a way to avoid that, but I did experience an ad pop-up before migrating to Linux. I can’t fathom how tech professionals can accept this kind of lack of control of their operating system.
intelVISA 4y ago
I appreciate where you're coming from but unfortunately I'm not able to support software that is backed by harmful corps like MS.
sneak 4y ago
Absolutely not. When the paychecks come from a company that fundamentally does not believe in the four freedoms, that is critical information with regards to infrastructure. Free software is an ideology and philosophy, not just a license.
prettyStandard 4y ago
Agree with sibling comments. Not immediately relevant to me but at my current position we go out of our way to avoid anything and everything Amazon. Very hard to do. And if a project were backed by Amazon I would be very embarrassed to start building on it at work. We are so serious about this that I almost got a contract canceled because it looked like they were running on AWS, and we got them to switch to Azure.
- hughc 4y ago
  Sibling comments are bashing MS. I read your comment to the end, and it read like a punchline to a joke, given who owns Azure?
  - prettyStandard 4y ago
    I agree it does read like the punchline to a joke, that did not escape me when I wrote it, but the larger message is that comments explaining who really owns projects we're talking about are not "unhelpful and unproductive". Many of the sibling comments were coming from the maintaining freedom perspective, which I personally appreciate as well. I wanted to chime in that this information is also helpful from a corporate/competitive perspective.
nelsonenzo 4y ago
Yeah, it's called the 'embrace' phase.

Comments like this are unhelpful and unproductive. That team is totally independent and does some great work and has continued to be a totally community driven project.

snerbles 4y ago

Some people want to avoid tying their own projects to certain vendors, and this information is helpful to them. See also Oracle, IBM, etc. Microsoft has done quite a lot to rehabilitate their image, a decade ago few would be so quick to defend them.

squarefoot 4y ago
> Microsoft has done quite a lot to rehabilitate their image I don't want to sound as a anti-MS fanboy, but that's the standard procedure when you get to the point "If you can't beat them...". Microsoft isn't to be trusted just because they're a business, but because like many others they're after profits above anything else. Just look at how they turned a potentially very decent OS (Windows 7) into worse privacy nightmare at every new version. I simply don't want them to mess with Linux.
- snerbles 4y ago
  Oh absolutely. Many of us remember EEE[0], but many more have forgotten - or never learned in the first place. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...
- sshine 4y ago
  I was recently forced to use Windows at work. I’ve since found a way to avoid that, but I did experience an ad pop-up before migrating to Linux. I can’t fathom how tech professionals can accept this kind of lack of control of their operating system.

intelVISA 4y ago

I appreciate where you're coming from but unfortunately I'm not able to support software that is backed by harmful corps like MS.

sneak 4y ago

Absolutely not. When the paychecks come from a company that fundamentally does not believe in the four freedoms, that is critical information with regards to infrastructure. Free software is an ideology and philosophy, not just a license.

prettyStandard 4y ago

Agree with sibling comments. Not immediately relevant to me but at my current position we go out of our way to avoid anything and everything Amazon. Very hard to do. And if a project were backed by Amazon I would be very embarrassed to start building on it at work. We are so serious about this that I almost got a contract canceled because it looked like they were running on AWS, and we got them to switch to Azure.

hughc 4y ago
Sibling comments are bashing MS. I read your comment to the end, and it read like a punchline to a joke, given who owns Azure?
- prettyStandard 4y ago
  I agree it does read like the punchline to a joke, that did not escape me when I wrote it, but the larger message is that comments explaining who really owns projects we're talking about are not "unhelpful and unproductive". Many of the sibling comments were coming from the maintaining freedom perspective, which I personally appreciate as well. I wanted to chime in that this information is also helpful from a corporate/competitive perspective.

nelsonenzo 4y ago

Yeah, it's called the 'embrace' phase.