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There's no extradition treaty. Nor are there any illegal renditions. If there were then media wouldn't be screeching over nonsense "intimiation" angle, because

There's no extradition treaty. Nor are there any illegal renditions. If there were then media wouldn't be screeching over nonsense "intimiation" angle, because person of interest would just get nabbed and it actually be a massive sovereignty violation / diplomatic incident. And it's generally completely compatible with western legal systems, that's how they've operated for so long with awareness from western govs / security. United Front agents passing a note that if person doesn't return to PRC to face justice out of their own acccord is just having a "conversation", frequently delivered by other naturalized citizens. The reason there's so much reeeing about this in western reporting is that there's nothing functionally inappropriate about what PRC is doing since it's just words and actual consquences are happening on PRC soil.

jacquesm 4y ago
It's a bit of a stretch to go from 'intimidiation' to 'extralegal rendition'. Though to be fair there is some evidence that these 'police stations' were used to get people critical of the party to go back 'home' by applying undue pressure. And that's one more reason why they should be shut down. > there's nothing functionally inappropriate about what PRC is doing That's your opinion.
- dirtyid 4y ago
  I'm just clarifying your assertion that these stations: > are used for rendition There's no extradition agreement between PRC and NE hence rendition could only be extralegal/extraordinary, which these stations are not doing. That's borderline declaration of war territory. I'm not suggesting these stations are not also used to "pressure" / coerce people to return - they explictly are - but my point is in terms of functionally appropriate is there's nothing wrong about informing people about consequences on PRC soil if they don't voluntarily return. I don't see how "free" societies can enforce, in this case dutch nationals (again a lot of these stations are staffed by nationals) telling other dutch nationals about "implications" on PRC soil. That's as tame as it gets in terms of permissible foreign influence.
  - IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago
    intimidation and harrasment is a crime in many jurisdictions. the only unique thing here is that we are talking about a state actor vs the traditional style organized mafia intimidation, vito corleone style.

jacquesm 4y ago

It's a bit of a stretch to go from 'intimidiation' to 'extralegal rendition'. Though to be fair there is some evidence that these 'police stations' were used to get people critical of the party to go back 'home' by applying undue pressure. And that's one more reason why they should be shut down. > there's nothing functionally inappropriate about what PRC is doing That's your opinion.

dirtyid 4y ago
I'm just clarifying your assertion that these stations: > are used for rendition There's no extradition agreement between PRC and NE hence rendition could only be extralegal/extraordinary, which these stations are not doing. That's borderline declaration of war territory. I'm not suggesting these stations are not also used to "pressure" / coerce people to return - they explictly are - but my point is in terms of functionally appropriate is there's nothing wrong about informing people about consequences on PRC soil if they don't voluntarily return. I don't see how "free" societies can enforce, in this case dutch nationals (again a lot of these stations are staffed by nationals) telling other dutch nationals about "implications" on PRC soil. That's as tame as it gets in terms of permissible foreign influence.
- IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago
  intimidation and harrasment is a crime in many jurisdictions. the only unique thing here is that we are talking about a state actor vs the traditional style organized mafia intimidation, vito corleone style.