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Are you disputing Russia’s position? It seems in line with the actions of the Ukrainians in the Donbas region since 2014. Edit, can’t reply: Russia’s position

by xtian 4y ago

Are you disputing Russia’s position? It seems in line with the actions of the Ukrainians in the Donbas region since 2014. Edit, can’t reply: Russia’s position is that Crimea and Donbas republics had the right to secede due to the fact that Yanukovych was removed via illegal coup (organized by the US). Ukrainian sovereignty was forfeit when Yanukovych was removed despite insufficient parliamentary votes to do so according to the Ukrainian constitution. The Minsk agreements, meant to resolve these disputes, were not implemented, and now based on statements by European leaders we know they were never intended to be implemented.

throwaway6734 4y ago
What is Russia's position? What sovereignty does Russia have over Ukraine?
throwaway6734 4y ago
>Ukrainian sovereignty was forfeit when Yanukovych was removed despite insufficient parliamentary votes to do so according to the Ukrainian constitution. How does one follow from the other?
- xtian 4y ago
  Without a binding constitution, there is no formal legal basis for a polity and people are free to do as they wish. E.g., join the Russian Federation or constitute themselves as an independent republic.
  - throwaway6734 4y ago
    Even if that was the case, how does that justify Russia's invasion? Russia has made massive changes to its constitution, doesn't that inherently weaken Putin's right to rule by your logic? You're starting from the fact that Russia is more powerful than Ukraine and working backwards to find justifications for genocide.
    - xtian 4y ago
      They formed and announced a defense pact with the independent Donbas republics, which Ukraine then continued to attack (shelling civilian areas, by the way). So Russia responded militarily in order to provide for the security of the republics in accordance with that agreement. They have not committed genocide whatsoever. Has Russia made changes to its constitution illegally? That would be news to me. There is of course a strong argument that the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 was not constitutional based on the results of the referendum.

by xtian 4y ago

throwaway6734 4y ago

What is Russia's position? What sovereignty does Russia have over Ukraine?

throwaway6734 4y ago

>Ukrainian sovereignty was forfeit when Yanukovych was removed despite insufficient parliamentary votes to do so according to the Ukrainian constitution. How does one follow from the other?

xtian 4y ago
Without a binding constitution, there is no formal legal basis for a polity and people are free to do as they wish. E.g., join the Russian Federation or constitute themselves as an independent republic.
- throwaway6734 4y ago
  Even if that was the case, how does that justify Russia's invasion? Russia has made massive changes to its constitution, doesn't that inherently weaken Putin's right to rule by your logic? You're starting from the fact that Russia is more powerful than Ukraine and working backwards to find justifications for genocide.
  - xtian 4y ago
    They formed and announced a defense pact with the independent Donbas republics, which Ukraine then continued to attack (shelling civilian areas, by the way). So Russia responded militarily in order to provide for the security of the republics in accordance with that agreement. They have not committed genocide whatsoever. Has Russia made changes to its constitution illegally? That would be news to me. There is of course a strong argument that the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 was not constitutional based on the results of the referendum.