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I think this is a great framing. The tidy verse framework is straight up antagonistic towards base R and any non Hadleyverse packages wwith minor exception. Th

I think this is a great framing. The tidy verse framework is straight up antagonistic towards base R and any non Hadleyverse packages wwith minor exception. The other glaring rhino in the room is the relationship between RStudio and the Hadleyverse. I find the relationship and degree of influence the tidy verse and Hadleyite way of doing things to be a dark cloud over the R community.

HFguy 4y ago
Why is it a dark cloud? Could you just choose to not use tidyverse libraries?
iaw 4y ago
My experience is that usually leveraging quosures I can make a wrapper function to get Hadlerverse behavior from any other packages. I believe that Hadley's work is the driving reason R remains a competitive alternative to Python for data analysis.
jwilber 4y ago
I honestly don’t believe R would have any sort of user-base at all if the tidyverse didn’t exist
- kgwgk 4y ago
  R had some sort of user-base when the tidyverse didn’t exist.
  - kuhewa 4y ago
    For the most part that community is still around and still uses quite a bit of base R, you will see them overrepresented answering curly questions in help forums