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19:00-21:00 hits home hard for me I used to have coworkers ask 'what programmers do you look up to?', and that question always felt icky to me because it kind

19:00-21:00 hits home hard for me I used to have coworkers ask 'what programmers do you look up to?', and that question always felt icky to me because it kind of implied you can't make the same choices and become your own hero. Over time, I found people whose life choices and personal advice I deeply appreciate. Andrew is definitely one; partly because of overlapping software goals, but mainly because of just how human & approachable he is. Genuinely just a great guy who wants others to succeed and share in his successes in life.

gavinhoward 4y ago
Unfortunately, I have the opposite experience with Andrew. But I'm glad you had a positive one.
- teknico 4y ago
  Any details you’d be willing to share?
  - gavinhoward 4y ago
    I dare not say much, but I will say that Andrew does not like to be told he is wrong. He told me off when he claimed (on IRC) that you couldn't easily write good hash maps in C, but you could in Zig, and I sent him a link to hash maps I had written in C. Then he proceeded to tell me to stop bothering him. When I started taking apart his claim that Zig does not have function colors, he got mad. Part of that was my fault; I didn't use the best language. But he still refused to acknowledge my arguments until I made a very long, mostly objective blog post about it that went viral. [1] Then, and only then, did he somewhat acknowledge that I was right. [1]: https://gavinhoward.com/2022/04/i-believe-zig-has-function-colors/ https://gavinhoward.com/2022/04/i-believe-zig-has-function-c...
    - AndyKelley 4y ago
      Hi Gavin, Do you think you could maybe stop saying nasty things about me in public? I don't appreciate it. I don't agree with your summary of our interactions either. It would be nice if you could just leave me alone. Thanks, Andrew
      - gavinhoward 4y ago
        Hi Andrew, You may not agree. That doesn't matter to me. Is it materially untrue? Does it meet the standard of defamation or harassment? If so, then you have recourse, and I encourage you to take it. If not, and it certainly does not, then I reserve my right to tell my side of every interaction we have. Including this one. Also, labeling what I said as "nasty" is proving my point: you don't take criticism well. I'm not sure what you mean by "leaving you alone." I haven't been harassing you. You are also a public figure now. There are some perks to being one, I'm sure, but there are also tradeoffs. One of those tradeoffs is that people can talk about you in public. And I only gave details when asked. Otherwise, I would have only said that I did not have good experiences interacting with you. So no, I will not stop. Gavin Howard Edit: Made a change to bad wording.
        grzm 4y ago
        > And I only talked about it when asked. Otherwise, I would have only said that I did not have good experiences interacting with you. Reading this thread, someone commented about his experience (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35505169 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35505169), and you offered your own, unsolicited (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35505919 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35505919). Yes, they then asked for details, which you then provided. But you volunteered your experience. You (nor anyone else) was asked for their experience.
        gavinhoward 4y ago
        That is true. Now let me ask this: what is wrong with providing what I did?
        4y ago

gavinhoward 4y ago

Unfortunately, I have the opposite experience with Andrew. But I'm glad you had a positive one.

teknico 4y ago
Any details you’d be willing to share?
- gavinhoward 4y ago
  I dare not say much, but I will say that Andrew does not like to be told he is wrong. He told me off when he claimed (on IRC) that you couldn't easily write good hash maps in C, but you could in Zig, and I sent him a link to hash maps I had written in C. Then he proceeded to tell me to stop bothering him. When I started taking apart his claim that Zig does not have function colors, he got mad. Part of that was my fault; I didn't use the best language. But he still refused to acknowledge my arguments until I made a very long, mostly objective blog post about it that went viral. [1] Then, and only then, did he somewhat acknowledge that I was right. [1]: https://gavinhoward.com/2022/04/i-believe-zig-has-function-colors/ https://gavinhoward.com/2022/04/i-believe-zig-has-function-c...
  - AndyKelley 4y ago
    Hi Gavin, Do you think you could maybe stop saying nasty things about me in public? I don't appreciate it. I don't agree with your summary of our interactions either. It would be nice if you could just leave me alone. Thanks, Andrew
    - gavinhoward 4y ago
      Hi Andrew, You may not agree. That doesn't matter to me. Is it materially untrue? Does it meet the standard of defamation or harassment? If so, then you have recourse, and I encourage you to take it. If not, and it certainly does not, then I reserve my right to tell my side of every interaction we have. Including this one. Also, labeling what I said as "nasty" is proving my point: you don't take criticism well. I'm not sure what you mean by "leaving you alone." I haven't been harassing you. You are also a public figure now. There are some perks to being one, I'm sure, but there are also tradeoffs. One of those tradeoffs is that people can talk about you in public. And I only gave details when asked. Otherwise, I would have only said that I did not have good experiences interacting with you. So no, I will not stop. Gavin Howard Edit: Made a change to bad wording.
      - grzm 4y ago
        > And I only talked about it when asked. Otherwise, I would have only said that I did not have good experiences interacting with you. Reading this thread, someone commented about his experience (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35505169 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35505169), and you offered your own, unsolicited (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35505919 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35505919). Yes, they then asked for details, which you then provided. But you volunteered your experience. You (nor anyone else) was asked for their experience.
        gavinhoward 4y ago
        That is true. Now let me ask this: what is wrong with providing what I did?
        4y ago