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> The animus around unequal benefits ought to be directed to their union leaders, who need to do their fucking jobs and bargain for the benefits. If you don't
by anonymouskimmer 4y ago
> The animus around unequal benefits ought to be directed to their union leaders, who need to do their fucking jobs and bargain for the benefits.
If you don't actively support your union by signing petitions, being a member (US unions can no longer collect funds from non-members, so membership rates matter), and voting to take action, there's not much the leaders can do. There's still some things the leadership can do, but it's typically not action that will get the company to do anything.
> you will only get what you bargain for
Negotiating in bad faith does happen. At my job management quickly agreed to, and paid out early, our bargaining. And then a couple months after it was signed gave out out-of-cycle inflation raises to non-represented employees. The first time this has happened that I know of. And my union can't do anything about it for a few years because our contract is signed.
Management said that all raises, even this special out-of-cycle one, was subject to negotiation. Even though our bargained contract stated that out-of-cycle raises could happen without negotiation. Heads they win, tails we lose.
Edit: changed "month and a half" to "couple months" because it was shortly after, but I may be a bit wrong about the timing.
- junofan 4y agoThat’s what you signed up for.
- anonymouskimmer 4y agoNo, I didn't sign up for disrespect and lies. Regardless, even this is better than the alternative I had before (years working as a permatemp, no yearly raise above 2%, even with outstanding ratings). At least now I can vent my ire at the boss without getting fired.
- catiopatio 4y ago[flagged]
- anonymouskimmer 4y agoAre municipal governments adversarial with the state? Some states think so, and go about banning municipalities from passing particular kinds of laws. And some municipalities also think so, and pass particular laws contrary to state law. But I think most people don't think this way about their municipal government and the state government. I signed up to have a level of representative government intermediate between me and the employer. I didn't sign up because this was an adversarial intermediation. In fact I'm happier when it isn't. I'm more than okay working toward the common good, I just want this common good decided between the parties through negotiation, not handed down from on high. And I want this common good negotiation equally available to all employees, not just those with the most personal clout.
- catiopatio 4y agoCitizens and municipal and state governments are not in an employment relationship and are not remotely comparable to one. > I'm more than okay working toward the common good, I just want this common good decided between the parties through negotiation, not handed down from on high. What you’ve just described is an inherently adversarial relationship with an employer by virtue of your desire to co-opt ownership and authority over their business.
- SturgeonsLaw 4y agoNegotiating individually for a pay increase is also adversarial. More money for me means less money for my employer, our interests are in direct contradiction.
- ClumsyPilot 4y agoThis reminds be of a mysogynistic argument I once heard: When wife gets a job she signs up for an adverserial relationship with her husband
- catiopatio 4y agoHow is that relevant to this discussion?
- junofan 4y agoI think it’s disingenuous to paint a decision in the framework you agreed upon as “disrespect and lies.”
- anonymouskimmer 4y agoOf the things that I posted, this is what I'm calling a lie: "Management said that all raises, even this special out-of-cycle one, was subject to negotiation. Even though our bargained contract stated that out-of-cycle raises could happen without negotiation." There are things that I did not post, and am not going to.