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India’s Tigers Bounce Back
- whimsicalism 4y agoThought this was going to be a business-related article, pleasantly surprised.
- xbar 4y agohttps://archive.ph/4s8NO https://archive.ph/4s8NO
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- hexator 4y agoAs the article mentions, their population is threatened mostly by habitat loss due to human development and trophy hunting
- hammock 4y agoNY Times 2019: Bengal Tigers May Not Survive Climate Change https://archive.is/Fg5OM#selection-255.0-255.44 https://archive.is/Fg5OM#selection-255.0-255.44 NY Times 2019: Climate change is now pushing the Bengal tiger closer to extinction https://archive.is/0qbcz#selection-553.0-559.23 https://archive.is/0qbcz#selection-553.0-559.23 NY Times 2020: India Sees Coronavirus Threat to Fragile Population: Tigers https://archive.is/PnuV3#selection-441.0-441.59 https://archive.is/PnuV3#selection-441.0-441.59 Human development and trophy hunting are threats, but they aren't the only ones.
- SantalBlush 4y ago>Human development and trophy hunting are threats, but they aren't the only ones. You are arguing against a statement that nobody made.
- canadianfella 4y ago[dead]
- edgyquant 4y agoPosting NY Times articles isn’t an argument. If you believe climate change is the main cause here, post a legitimate and peer reviewed study by people on the ground. This looks like you’re high on sensationalist doomerism.
- rhaway84773 4y agoThe articles are based on peer reviewed studies. The problem with the post is that Bengal Tiger != Indian Tigers. Bengal Tigers are a subspecies of tigers and not many of them are even in India. The issues faced by Indian tigers was loss of habitat due to human encroachment (which will be worsened due to human migration due to climate change), whereas the major future threat to Bengal tigers, which live primarily in the low lying Sunderban areas of Bangladesh, is climate change. So both things are true because we are talking about completely different groups of animals.
- tintedfireglass 4y agothe sunderbans have a very low amount of Tigers. Most of India's Tigers are in the states of madhya pradesh, Karnataka and maharashtra which are not affected by rising sea levels as much as bengal as they are plateaus. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_reserves_of_India https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_reserves_of_India
- tintedfireglass 4y agoroyal bengal Tigers are the SAME as Indian Tigers. The British first saw them in bengal and hence their name. They are spread all over India https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_tiger https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_tiger
- whythre 4y agoYeah, for shame. We can’t have a single article about anything without banging on about climate change.
- LanceH 4y agoAre you suggesting that climate change is bringing back tigers?
- gumby 4y agoWhat is the connection between the two? I am literally working on climate repair and don't see a strong connection.
- firebirdn99 4y agorising sea levels, may eradicate the Sunderbans, one of the habitats of the Bengal tigers according to one of the articles
- firebirdn99 4y agoJust watched some eps of Extrapolations this week, the Apple TV show about climate change. It's (a sci-fi show that shows life in the future ~2040-2060) very far fetched, but not so much as to say it's out of the question that species continue to eradicate due to extreme climate change when it occurs. 1 cause was wildfires, and we saw some terrible fires over the last few years, from ones in Australia, or the Amazon, to ones in California. Still remember those pictures of burning Koalas in Australia. Another is the idea of rising sea levels which could cause many habitat loses like the Tiger ones. But while these things may not be happening now, it does feel that more attention in terms of engineering efforts need to happen. There is a lot of hype and media outrage, but not seeing as much real substantive efforts. I hope we can control climate much better in the coming decades. Many believe Deep Learning will help with that. At the same time, these models are not as good at planning right now. So, I wonder if it will be as simple as that. Definitely in the realm of data extraction, and analysis, it will be of great help.
- firebirdn99 4y agoMaybe a related note to the PG tweet, about not as much capital invested in hardware industries, as opposed to software.
- darth_avocado 4y agoIt is worthwhile to say that some of the conservation efforts may not sit well with a lot of people, like preventing poaching by shooting the poachers. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-38909512.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-38909512.amp
- jjtheblunt 4y agoI actually wonder, with no way to measure such, if a huge fraction of humanity would be ok with shooting poachers. It's sort of an interesting question, in many ways.
- firebirdn99 4y agoWhile I was in that camp for a long time. It's also somewhat enlightening to understand their perspectives. Some are hired to do the work from extremely poor backgrounds I believe. The first and foremost is to ban public trophy hunting. Many governments in Africa allow it as a revenue stream. But, the outrage needs to come from the local population there.
- manojlds 4y agoAre you talking about Africa or India or both?
- jjtheblunt 4y agoCanada and the US allow trophy hunting within their borders; there’s a famous picture of “Kid Rock” and Ted Nugent with a killed mountain lion, ironically a true symbol of the americas they claim to represent. And so called canned hunts happen in Texas. There’s a great deal of public apathy or ignorance to be overcome in general to excise the small fraction of humanity from conducting such practices.
- com2kid 4y ago> Canada and the US allow trophy hunting within their borders; there’s a famous picture of “Kid Rock” and Ted Nugent with a killed mountain lion, ironically a true symbol of the americas they claim to represent. And so called canned hunts happen in Texas. Mountain lions, also called Cougars, are the exact opposite of endangered. Is it stupid to go hunting one? Sure, I guess. Given that cougars can be found walking down the streets in suburbs outside of Seattle, (also I think you can find them walking around some of the larger parks in Seattle!) I would hardly be impressed if someone told me they killed one. "Oh wow you killed a large cat that eats small dogs and also drinks out my bird feeder".
- jamiek88 4y agoIs safari private relay failing to load archive.ph for others? Had to disable it to access the site. I hope this isn’t a sign of dns blocking in iCloud relay like the uk government likes to do. Weird when i go back there and libgen etc won’t even resolve.
- User23 4y agoTigers are majestic creatures that should be preserved. They are also efficient and dangerous ambush predators that will eat you or your children given the chance. Reminds me of that dentist that got a tag and shot “Cecil the Lion” and the literati in NYC engaged in the requisite handwringing while the Africans who actually had to live with it were celebrating the 50 grand payday and the elimination of a dangerous menace. Then again maybe reintroducing apex predators to the streets of San Francisco would be a net improvement. Let’s restore the grizzly to the bay area.
- akudha 4y agoThere is this insane book called "Man eaters of Kumaon" by Jim Corbett. It is an old book, but well worth your time. If my memory is right, one of the tigers he goes after had killed hundreds of humans. Insane story
- jurassic 4y ago+1 on this book recommendation. Insanely good.
- bastardoperator 4y agoThey're not dangerous to humans, we've proven that by nearly eliminating the entire species. Bears are no match either, that bear on the CA flag is also extinct. Go walk around the tenderloin at night, I bet you would fare better against a bear versus the collective denizen.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago> Bears are no match either Bears will absolutely see you as a food source. Don’t fuck with bears. Tigers, and most large cats, are more sensitive about risk of injury and as such spooked off more easily, e.g. by you standing up. Bears near populations aren’t going to seek you out, but they’re different from tigers.
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- blueline 4y agofor more like this, cal flyn's "islands of abandonment" is an interesting read featuring several surprising example of how ecosystems have adapted to varying levels of human destruction
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- mertd 4y agoTrophy hunting has to be one of the most bizarre "fun" activities. How is ending a life fun?
- spaceman_2020 4y agoEspecially with modern weapons. Even before modern guns, you read about hunting parties - which would be dozens, even hundreds of men - ganging up on a solitary animal and wonder how was that ever equated with bravery.
- dangwhy 4y ago> How is ending a life fun? Couldn't the same said about eating meat with every meal in the west or going to a steakhouse for 'fun'.
- mplewis 4y agoGenerally, people go to a steakhouse to eat meat, not to hunt it.
- whydoyoucare 4y agoAh, see that's how we indulge in "planet destroying" activities - by associating that guilt with someone else. :)
- jdjsiansian 4y agoOr ending a life for trivial reasons e.g. swatting a musquito or fly because you find it annoying, killing a roach just because it happens to wander into your house. Uprooting weeds and killing them because you don't like the look of weeds in your flower garden etc etc. When is it justified, everyone draws their own line I suppose.
- swalling 4y agoIt should not be surprising that humans find it fun to do something that we did for survival for most of our evolutionary history. The evolutionary function of play is the practice of adult skills. What's actually bizarre is that the billions of modern humans who would find it sickening to kill any animal personally have no issue thoughtlessly living a lifestyle whose need for ever-expanding consumption of living space, energy, and other resources is directly contributing to a human-caused mass extinction.
- Abishek_Muthian 4y agoThere's an animist tribe called Idu Mishmis in India's North East state of Arunachal Pradesh, Their mythology considers Tigers to be their elder brothers, So they venerate Tigers and are deeply involved in conserving their habitat leading to an unique way of wildlife conservation. They don't indulge in retaliatory killing of the Tiger even if it hunts one of their people. Subsequent Tiger census of their region have shown to have significant Tiger population that the Govt. now wants to establish a Tiger Reserve in their region, Now the Idu Mishmis are protesting that plan claiming that the Tigers are actually located in their own farm lands and not in deep forest region[1]. [1] https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-politics/indigenous-idu-mishmis-protesting-tiger-reserve-8540568/ https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-politi...
- radicaldreamer 4y agoConservation in India has often taken this pattern historically, integrated into religious beliefs, but conservation in the west typically imposes this pattern of keeping humans and human development out of the area altogether, regardless of the shape of such development.
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- what-no-tests 4y agoThat's what Tiggers do best!
- KingMob 4y agoYeah, your headline mentions "bouncing", and I immediately think of Tigger. The wonderful thing about Tiggers Is Tiggers are wonderful things Their tops are made out of rubber Their bottoms are made out of springs
- rex_lupi 4y ago"Tigers are thriving in certain landscapes of the country and disproportionately adding to the increasing tiger count, while other former tiger landscapes have lost all or most of their tigers" - https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/raza-kazmi-writes-as-indias-tiger-numbers-rise-a-troubling-trend-can-be-seen-8548504/ https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/raza-kazmi...