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Didn't much of the conflict in Ukraine from 2014 onwards arise from an effort to treat Russian-speaking Ukrainians as second-class citizens by the newly install

Didn't much of the conflict in Ukraine from 2014 onwards arise from an effort to treat Russian-speaking Ukrainians as second-class citizens by the newly installed government? https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-010539_EN.html https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-01053... For comparison, this would be like the U.S. government banning the use of Spanish or any other minority language, refusing to print translations of government documents in those languages, etc. Such a policy would certainly generate tension and resentment in areas like the Southwestern USA, and would be hard to characterize as 'liberal'. Of course, in the context of TAPI and Afghanistan, the Ukraine war is just part of the ongoing struggle over who gets to sell fossil fuels to Europe, i.e. Russian pipeline gas vs USA tanker LNG.

throwaway6734 4y ago
The conflict in Ukraine is caused by Russia's imperialistic and colonial mindset towards the rest of eastern Europe. They invaded because a majority of Ukrainian peoples wanted closer relationships with Europe and to throw off the yoke of Russian authoritarianism.
- xtian 4y ago
  Majority? https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7158 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7158
  - throwaway6734 4y ago
    Majority https://www.iri.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/iri.org/2014%20April%205%20IRI%20Public%20Opinion%20Survey%20of%20Ukraine,%20March%2014-26,%202014.pdf https://www.iri.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/iri.org/2014%2...
    - xtian 4y ago
      US state-affiliated media https://www.iri.org/news/national-endowment-for-democracy-ned-ndi-iri-cipe-and-solidarity-center-welcome-increased-funding-from-congress/ https://www.iri.org/news/national-endowment-for-democracy-ne...
      - throwaway6734 4y ago
        Are you disputing the results? They seem inline with the article you shared as well as the actions of the Ukrainian people since 2014. Russia's colonial relationship with the Ukrainian people has been disastrous and it is great to see them fighting against an imperialistic and genocidal regime.
        xtian 4y ago
        Are you disputing Russia’s position? It seems in line with the actions of the Ukrainians in the Donbas region since 2014. Edit, can’t reply: Russia’s position is that Crimea and Donbas republics had the right to secede due to the fact that Yanukovych was removed via illegal coup (organized by the US). Ukrainian sovereignty was forfeit when Yanukovych was removed despite insufficient parliamentary votes to do so according to the Ukrainian constitution. The Minsk agreements, meant to resolve these disputes, were not implemented, and now based on statements by European leaders we know they were never intended to be implemented.
        throwaway6734 4y ago
        What is Russia's position? What sovereignty does Russia have over Ukraine?
        throwaway6734 4y ago
        >Ukrainian sovereignty was forfeit when Yanukovych was removed despite insufficient parliamentary votes to do so according to the Ukrainian constitution. How does one follow from the other?
        xtian 4y ago
        Without a binding constitution, there is no formal legal basis for a polity and people are free to do as they wish. E.g., join the Russian Federation or constitute themselves as an independent republic.
        4y ago

throwaway6734 4y ago

The conflict in Ukraine is caused by Russia's imperialistic and colonial mindset towards the rest of eastern Europe. They invaded because a majority of Ukrainian peoples wanted closer relationships with Europe and to throw off the yoke of Russian authoritarianism.

xtian 4y ago
Majority? https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7158 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7158
- throwaway6734 4y ago
  Majority https://www.iri.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/iri.org/2014%20April%205%20IRI%20Public%20Opinion%20Survey%20of%20Ukraine,%20March%2014-26,%202014.pdf https://www.iri.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/iri.org/2014%2...
  - xtian 4y ago
    US state-affiliated media https://www.iri.org/news/national-endowment-for-democracy-ned-ndi-iri-cipe-and-solidarity-center-welcome-increased-funding-from-congress/ https://www.iri.org/news/national-endowment-for-democracy-ne...
    - throwaway6734 4y ago
      Are you disputing the results? They seem inline with the article you shared as well as the actions of the Ukrainian people since 2014. Russia's colonial relationship with the Ukrainian people has been disastrous and it is great to see them fighting against an imperialistic and genocidal regime.
      - xtian 4y ago
        Are you disputing Russia’s position? It seems in line with the actions of the Ukrainians in the Donbas region since 2014. Edit, can’t reply: Russia’s position is that Crimea and Donbas republics had the right to secede due to the fact that Yanukovych was removed via illegal coup (organized by the US). Ukrainian sovereignty was forfeit when Yanukovych was removed despite insufficient parliamentary votes to do so according to the Ukrainian constitution. The Minsk agreements, meant to resolve these disputes, were not implemented, and now based on statements by European leaders we know they were never intended to be implemented.
        throwaway6734 4y ago
        What is Russia's position? What sovereignty does Russia have over Ukraine?
        throwaway6734 4y ago
        >Ukrainian sovereignty was forfeit when Yanukovych was removed despite insufficient parliamentary votes to do so according to the Ukrainian constitution. How does one follow from the other?
        xtian 4y ago
        Without a binding constitution, there is no formal legal basis for a polity and people are free to do as they wish. E.g., join the Russian Federation or constitute themselves as an independent republic.
        4y ago