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Native Spanish speaker here, giving two observations. First, it's not unusual to aspirate the "s" sound in Spanish spoken in the Caribbean countries, particula

Native Spanish speaker here, giving two observations. First, it's not unusual to aspirate the "s" sound in Spanish spoken in the Caribbean countries, particularly if it precedes a consonant, hear several examples in [1]. While this is reserved for informal colloquial speech, it is not an indication of social class. Second, I realize there is a gray divide between what constitutes a dialect and what is just regional accent and slang, but I only hear the latter in the examples given in TFA. I'd expect a lot more differences, bordering on unintelligible, before I call it a dialect. Maybe I'll change my mind if I hear more examples of New Mexico Spanish, but for now, it just sounds like some peculiar word choices and not a completely different dialect, [1]. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9EXc9UkJtA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9EXc9UkJtA

salomon812 4y ago
> I'd expect a lot more differences, bordering on unintelligible, before I call it a dialect. I'm not sure if I could help you with examples since it's my father's tongue, not mind. But I assure you, he found it very difficult to communicate with other Spanish speakers in California. However, he did have a much easier time talking with someone that grew up in the Philippines! I do remember very distinctly that my dad did not know the word "dormir" or "to sleep" and the word he had started with "ad" but I don't remember it. > but for now, it just sounds like some peculiar word choices. Remember, the area is changing. The Spanish that's being spoken in New Mexico is altering to match the wider world. If you want older dialect, you really do have to find people in their 50's or older.
- maxbond 4y ago
  > However, he did have a much easier time talking with someone that grew up in the Philippines! Who presumably spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavacano https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavacano (a dialect with a similar origin, though of course different geography & local influences) Or maybe a dialect I've never heard of even, the Philippines is an incredibly linguistically diverse area. A woman I know from the Philippines grew up speaking 5 languages.
VeninVidiaVicii 4y ago
The weird thing about NM Spanish aspiration is that it occurs intervocalically. My mother in law drives me crazy with this and says “coha” instead of “cosa”, for example.
watwut 4y ago
Dialect does not have to be unintelligible. When it is unintelligible, it would be close to whole another language.

salomon812 4y ago

> I'd expect a lot more differences, bordering on unintelligible, before I call it a dialect. I'm not sure if I could help you with examples since it's my father's tongue, not mind. But I assure you, he found it very difficult to communicate with other Spanish speakers in California. However, he did have a much easier time talking with someone that grew up in the Philippines! I do remember very distinctly that my dad did not know the word "dormir" or "to sleep" and the word he had started with "ad" but I don't remember it. > but for now, it just sounds like some peculiar word choices. Remember, the area is changing. The Spanish that's being spoken in New Mexico is altering to match the wider world. If you want older dialect, you really do have to find people in their 50's or older.

maxbond 4y ago
> However, he did have a much easier time talking with someone that grew up in the Philippines! Who presumably spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavacano https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavacano (a dialect with a similar origin, though of course different geography & local influences) Or maybe a dialect I've never heard of even, the Philippines is an incredibly linguistically diverse area. A woman I know from the Philippines grew up speaking 5 languages.

VeninVidiaVicii 4y ago

The weird thing about NM Spanish aspiration is that it occurs intervocalically. My mother in law drives me crazy with this and says “coha” instead of “cosa”, for example.

watwut 4y ago

Dialect does not have to be unintelligible. When it is unintelligible, it would be close to whole another language.