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> Hilary Clinton would consider most of the people in my community “deplorables.” From Time magazine's summary of Clinton's remarks — which are spot-on: <quot

> Hilary Clinton would consider most of the people in my community “deplorables.” From Time magazine's summary of Clinton's remarks — which are spot-on: <quote> “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.” She said the other half of Trump’s supporters “feel that the government has let them down” and are “desperate for change.” “Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well,” she said. </quote> The Time piece includes the transcript of the full remarks. https://time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorables-transcript/ https://time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorabl...

rayiner 4y ago
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- dctoedt 4y ago
  Those who "believe the same things about nationality, gender roles, same sex marriage, etc., as even pretty liberal Bangladeshis" are free to practice their beliefs. But they should expect forceful pushback if they try to compel others to conform to those beliefs as well.* * With the usual caveat of assuming that nonconformance to those beliefs doesn't cause harm to other "people" — and on that, Blackmun got it more or less right in Roe.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    Both evangelicals in Wisconsin and Bangladeshis tend to believe that society can regulate individual morality for the common good. They don’t embrace your libertarian view. You’re welcome to it, but you’re merely proving my point. Social liberals use immigration to advance minority positions they couldn’t achieve otherwise.
    - dctoedt 4y ago
      > Social liberals use immigration to advance minority positions they couldn’t achieve otherwise. Isn't that like a losing team saying, "we'd have won the championship if only our star player hadn't gotten hurt"? Or, "I've got mine, so pull up the ladder." Immigration is a fact, and beneficial in so many ways — including, IMHO, a more-liberal electorate. If MAGA types want to shut the gate to try to preserve their political power, they need to offer better reasons than they have so far.
      - rayiner 4y ago
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        dctoedt 4y ago
        > It’s a more fragmented electorate, with fault lines liberals can use to bypass the need to achieve consensus for social change. It’s an end-run around democracy that ultimately frays our system of self governance. Methinks you have an overly-idealized notion of how democracy works (or at least its U.S. variant).

rayiner 4y ago

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dctoedt 4y ago
Those who "believe the same things about nationality, gender roles, same sex marriage, etc., as even pretty liberal Bangladeshis" are free to practice their beliefs. But they should expect forceful pushback if they try to compel others to conform to those beliefs as well.* * With the usual caveat of assuming that nonconformance to those beliefs doesn't cause harm to other "people" — and on that, Blackmun got it more or less right in Roe.
- rayiner 4y ago
  Both evangelicals in Wisconsin and Bangladeshis tend to believe that society can regulate individual morality for the common good. They don’t embrace your libertarian view. You’re welcome to it, but you’re merely proving my point. Social liberals use immigration to advance minority positions they couldn’t achieve otherwise.
  - dctoedt 4y ago
    > Social liberals use immigration to advance minority positions they couldn’t achieve otherwise. Isn't that like a losing team saying, "we'd have won the championship if only our star player hadn't gotten hurt"? Or, "I've got mine, so pull up the ladder." Immigration is a fact, and beneficial in so many ways — including, IMHO, a more-liberal electorate. If MAGA types want to shut the gate to try to preserve their political power, they need to offer better reasons than they have so far.
    - rayiner 4y ago
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      - dctoedt 4y ago
        > It’s a more fragmented electorate, with fault lines liberals can use to bypass the need to achieve consensus for social change. It’s an end-run around democracy that ultimately frays our system of self governance. Methinks you have an overly-idealized notion of how democracy works (or at least its U.S. variant).