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Ask HN: Django v/s Rails? Please bring your pitchforks

8 points by textread 3y ago

The order was chosen alphabetically. Is the Django equivalent of Hotwired.dev as polished? Whats the Django story around mobile apps? Is Rails still into magic? How does Ruby remain relevant in the ML wave? Repeat after me:- I solemnly swear that I wont be downvoting comments in favor of the other framework. Previous discussion from 2019: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20921454

ale_jacques 3y ago
>> Is the Django equivalent of Hotwired.dev as polished? Whats the Django story around mobile apps? No. Even Hotwire is not equivalent to Rails. You could even use Hotwire WITH Django. Take a look at https://htmx.org https://htmx.org and/or https://unpoly.com https://unpoly.com (there are others) for libraries that has the same HTML-over-the-wire moto, just like Hotwire. >> Is Rails still into magic? How does Ruby remain relevant in the ML wave? ML wave? Would ML mean Machine Learning? If so, makes no sense to compare a web framework to something else not web related.
Alifatisk 3y ago
By ML you mean machine learning or meta language? Rails is a fine framework with "batteries included", if you are looking for a monolith then Rails is a good option. I have no experience with Django but I see no reason to believe why Django would not be as capable as Rails. As of Hotwire, It's not only for Rails, other frameworks like Laravel & Django can use it too, Hotwire is more an idea of alternative approach to SPAs.
- textread 3y ago
  > By ML you mean machine learning or meta language? I meant Machine Learning > if you are looking for a monolith then Rails is a good option. I am really interested in learning more about the monolithic approach that Rails advocates. What would be a good codebase to study? I am looking for some sort of large monolith that is open source. Would Gitlab or Discourse codebase, qualify as a good candidate? I tried find the RealWorld demo app on Github, but couldn't find a canonical Hotwired-Rails7 implementation.
  - Alifatisk 3y ago
    Well, Ruby itself has ML libraries like Rumale [1]. But the amount is not as rich as Pythons pypi for obvious reasons. [1] https://github.com/yoshoku/rumale https://github.com/yoshoku/rumale Regarding Rails, To be honest, if you want to study Rails. I would suggest you nothing more than their official website. It's really good! https://guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started.html https://guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started.html
ignurant 3y ago
> Is Rails still into magic? Yes, but you too [can join the magicians guild](https://guides.rubyonrails.org/ https://guides.rubyonrails.org/). They are very open. In fact, they even share with anyone [every single trick they know](https://github.com/rails/rails https://github.com/rails/rails). Some call it Rails Magic, but others call simply call it a framework. There’s no arcane magic here — it’s all in the book.

8 points by textread 3y ago

ale_jacques 3y ago

>> Is the Django equivalent of Hotwired.dev as polished? Whats the Django story around mobile apps? No. Even Hotwire is not equivalent to Rails. You could even use Hotwire WITH Django. Take a look at https://htmx.org https://htmx.org and/or https://unpoly.com https://unpoly.com (there are others) for libraries that has the same HTML-over-the-wire moto, just like Hotwire. >> Is Rails still into magic? How does Ruby remain relevant in the ML wave? ML wave? Would ML mean Machine Learning? If so, makes no sense to compare a web framework to something else not web related.

Alifatisk 3y ago

By ML you mean machine learning or meta language? Rails is a fine framework with "batteries included", if you are looking for a monolith then Rails is a good option. I have no experience with Django but I see no reason to believe why Django would not be as capable as Rails. As of Hotwire, It's not only for Rails, other frameworks like Laravel & Django can use it too, Hotwire is more an idea of alternative approach to SPAs.

textread 3y ago
> By ML you mean machine learning or meta language? I meant Machine Learning > if you are looking for a monolith then Rails is a good option. I am really interested in learning more about the monolithic approach that Rails advocates. What would be a good codebase to study? I am looking for some sort of large monolith that is open source. Would Gitlab or Discourse codebase, qualify as a good candidate? I tried find the RealWorld demo app on Github, but couldn't find a canonical Hotwired-Rails7 implementation.
- Alifatisk 3y ago
  Well, Ruby itself has ML libraries like Rumale [1]. But the amount is not as rich as Pythons pypi for obvious reasons. [1] https://github.com/yoshoku/rumale https://github.com/yoshoku/rumale Regarding Rails, To be honest, if you want to study Rails. I would suggest you nothing more than their official website. It's really good! https://guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started.html https://guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started.html

ignurant 3y ago

> Is Rails still into magic? Yes, but you too [can join the magicians guild](https://guides.rubyonrails.org/ https://guides.rubyonrails.org/). They are very open. In fact, they even share with anyone [every single trick they know](https://github.com/rails/rails https://github.com/rails/rails). Some call it Rails Magic, but others call simply call it a framework. There’s no arcane magic here — it’s all in the book.