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Interview with Andrew Kelley (Zig Creator) (2021)

111 points by tim_sw 4y ago

adamgordonbell 4y ago
Host here. Andrew was a great guest and inspired me to start a patreon, and once I did he immediately sponsored me. He really believes in crowd funding projects and supporting them.
- lionkor 4y ago
  I loved that episode, and all other episodes I've listened to. Thank you so much for curating such a wonderful collection of interesting stories!
  - adamgordonbell 4y ago
    Thanks for listening!
- ollieparanoid 4y ago
  After I listen to a podcast host for quite some time, and then read a text message from them, my brain starts reading it in their voice. That definitively happened here. Thanks a lot for making this great show, listened to quite a few episodes by now and had a great time!
  - adamgordonbell 4y ago
    Thanks for listening!
evacchi 4y ago
Love CoRecursive. The latest episode with Douglas Crockford is also great
eatonphil 4y ago
Had to double check, this isn't a new interview I think. Think it's from 2021.
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dom96 4y ago
Great interview. I think the most interesting part of this to me was how someone forked Zig and tried to sell it, that must have been stressful.
henry_viii 4y ago
Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28046256 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28046256
amrb 4y ago
Loved hearing about the history SQLite! I do feel we should capture more of the tech story's, as its hard to learn from mistakes.. if you don't know the history.
motiejus 4y ago
This interview and the one with Richard Hipp about sqlite[1] resulted me in downloading and listening to all past podcasts from corecursive. I found some other gems there too[2]. Adam, the host, really knows how to get the most out of his guest, in the best way. [1]: https://corecursive.com/066-sqlite-with-richard-hipp/ https://corecursive.com/066-sqlite-with-richard-hipp/ [2]: https://jakstys.lt/2022/my-favorite-podcast/ https://jakstys.lt/2022/my-favorite-podcast/
- sintezcs 4y ago
  This! I did the same, listened to all episodes, and SQLite is also one of my favs
paines 4y ago
Interesting what he mentioned about IRC and the C channel on freenode being horrible. Never been there but in several others. I especially like to remember the #chicken scheme channel. Those was, maybe and hopefully still is, one of the friendliest, most helpful and nicest places in the world wide web.
vrglvrglvrgl 4y ago
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slimsag 4y ago
19:00-21:00 hits home hard for me I used to have coworkers ask 'what programmers do you look up to?', and that question always felt icky to me because it kind of implied you can't make the same choices and become your own hero. Over time, I found people whose life choices and personal advice I deeply appreciate. Andrew is definitely one; partly because of overlapping software goals, but mainly because of just how human & approachable he is. Genuinely just a great guy who wants others to succeed and share in his successes in life.
- gavinhoward 4y ago
  Unfortunately, I have the opposite experience with Andrew. But I'm glad you had a positive one.
  - teknico 4y ago
    Any details you’d be willing to share?
    - gavinhoward 4y ago
      I dare not say much, but I will say that Andrew does not like to be told he is wrong. He told me off when he claimed (on IRC) that you couldn't easily write good hash maps in C, but you could in Zig, and I sent him a link to hash maps I had written in C. Then he proceeded to tell me to stop bothering him. When I started taking apart his claim that Zig does not have function colors, he got mad. Part of that was my fault; I didn't use the best language. But he still refused to acknowledge my arguments until I made a very long, mostly objective blog post about it that went viral. [1] Then, and only then, did he somewhat acknowledge that I was right. [1]: https://gavinhoward.com/2022/04/i-believe-zig-has-function-colors/ https://gavinhoward.com/2022/04/i-believe-zig-has-function-c...
      - AndyKelley 4y ago
        Hi Gavin, Do you think you could maybe stop saying nasty things about me in public? I don't appreciate it. I don't agree with your summary of our interactions either. It would be nice if you could just leave me alone. Thanks, Andrew

111 points by tim_sw 4y ago

Host here. Andrew was a great guest and inspired me to start a patreon, and once I did he immediately sponsored me. He really believes in crowd funding projects and supporting them.

lionkor 4y ago
I loved that episode, and all other episodes I've listened to. Thank you so much for curating such a wonderful collection of interesting stories!
- adamgordonbell 4y ago
  Thanks for listening!
ollieparanoid 4y ago
After I listen to a podcast host for quite some time, and then read a text message from them, my brain starts reading it in their voice. That definitively happened here. Thanks a lot for making this great show, listened to quite a few episodes by now and had a great time!
- adamgordonbell 4y ago
  Thanks for listening!

evacchi 4y ago

Love CoRecursive. The latest episode with Douglas Crockford is also great

eatonphil 4y ago

Had to double check, this isn't a new interview I think. Think it's from 2021.

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dom96 4y ago

Great interview. I think the most interesting part of this to me was how someone forked Zig and tried to sell it, that must have been stressful.

henry_viii 4y ago

Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28046256 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28046256

amrb 4y ago

Loved hearing about the history SQLite! I do feel we should capture more of the tech story's, as its hard to learn from mistakes.. if you don't know the history.

motiejus 4y ago

This interview and the one with Richard Hipp about sqlite[1] resulted me in downloading and listening to all past podcasts from corecursive. I found some other gems there too[2]. Adam, the host, really knows how to get the most out of his guest, in the best way. [1]: https://corecursive.com/066-sqlite-with-richard-hipp/ https://corecursive.com/066-sqlite-with-richard-hipp/ [2]: https://jakstys.lt/2022/my-favorite-podcast/ https://jakstys.lt/2022/my-favorite-podcast/

sintezcs 4y ago
This! I did the same, listened to all episodes, and SQLite is also one of my favs

paines 4y ago

Interesting what he mentioned about IRC and the C channel on freenode being horrible. Never been there but in several others. I especially like to remember the #chicken scheme channel. Those was, maybe and hopefully still is, one of the friendliest, most helpful and nicest places in the world wide web.

vrglvrglvrgl 4y ago

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slimsag 4y ago

19:00-21:00 hits home hard for me I used to have coworkers ask 'what programmers do you look up to?', and that question always felt icky to me because it kind of implied you can't make the same choices and become your own hero. Over time, I found people whose life choices and personal advice I deeply appreciate. Andrew is definitely one; partly because of overlapping software goals, but mainly because of just how human & approachable he is. Genuinely just a great guy who wants others to succeed and share in his successes in life.

gavinhoward 4y ago
Unfortunately, I have the opposite experience with Andrew. But I'm glad you had a positive one.
- teknico 4y ago
  Any details you’d be willing to share?
  - gavinhoward 4y ago
    I dare not say much, but I will say that Andrew does not like to be told he is wrong. He told me off when he claimed (on IRC) that you couldn't easily write good hash maps in C, but you could in Zig, and I sent him a link to hash maps I had written in C. Then he proceeded to tell me to stop bothering him. When I started taking apart his claim that Zig does not have function colors, he got mad. Part of that was my fault; I didn't use the best language. But he still refused to acknowledge my arguments until I made a very long, mostly objective blog post about it that went viral. [1] Then, and only then, did he somewhat acknowledge that I was right. [1]: https://gavinhoward.com/2022/04/i-believe-zig-has-function-colors/ https://gavinhoward.com/2022/04/i-believe-zig-has-function-c...
    - AndyKelley 4y ago
      Hi Gavin, Do you think you could maybe stop saying nasty things about me in public? I don't appreciate it. I don't agree with your summary of our interactions either. It would be nice if you could just leave me alone. Thanks, Andrew