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> true builders in this space That's a lot of belief riding on there being "true builders".

by illiarian 4y ago

theK 4y ago
What do you mean?
- Our_Benefactors 4y ago
  That no such thing exists and the space is a top to bottom grifting scamfest.
  - theK 4y ago
    I don't think that this view can withstand any sort of scrutiny...
    - Our_Benefactors 4y ago
      I think that it can, given articles like this showing that established profitable companies are dumping NFT strategy as quickly as possible.
      - theK 4y ago
        Established profitable companies have a track record of missing the point when it comes to doing decentralized things. For one a lot of them just fall for VC backed tech which in most cases isn't even a legitimate decentralized network. Sure we can blame grifters for this too somehow
    - illiarian 4y ago
      The opposite view, that there are some mythical "true builders" is the one that can't withstand, and hasn't withstood, any sort of scrutiny. At best those "true builders" can't understand reality around them (like all the "builders" building tickets or property rights with NFTs). At anything below best it's a sea of scammers and grifters.
      - theK 4y ago
        Oh, no I didn't talk about the "mythical builders" I talked about the actual builders. The crypo space has become very big in the past two cycles but every techie should be easily able to pick a decentralized chain, look at its community and identify those who build from those who grift.
        illiarian 4y ago
        > Oh, no I didn't talk about the "mythical builders" I talked about the actual builders. And those are? > look at its community and identify those who build from those who grift. Ah. "Just look at the discords" argument again. I'm having this conversation in the sibling thread. Let me summarise: This is equivalent to "just sift through millions tons of shit before maybe finding something worth looking at (which invariably isn't worth looking at)".
        theK 4y ago
        Me and others have already told you on multiple posts, the ecosystem is too big to just start pointing out random stuff. Also, I really could not be bothered to go out of my way to compile examples just to feed a troll like you. DYOR and please stop perpetuating closed discussions.
DANmode 4y ago
It doesn't take belief if you spend any time observing these communities. The builders and grifters are in pretty separate camps. If you're only observing this community on Twitter, yes, you will see relentless, low-quality scams almost as a rule.
- illiarian 4y ago
  Ah yes, the usual "just follow the discords".
  - DANmode 4y ago
    https://ethereum-magicians.org/ https://ethereum-magicians.org/ Are you in the right place? You seem to be repeating a trope directly in contradiction to my earlier point about your view being social media biased...and also heaped on a little snark, as well. Please consider politely considering different perspectives here, without necessarily agreeing with them.
    - illiarian 4y ago
      > https://ethereum-magicians.org/ https://ethereum-magicians.org/ Another random link, indistinguishable from "just follow the discords" > and also heaped on a little snark, as well. Of course there's snark. That line of "oh you just don't follow the right communities" has been repeated over and over and over again by the crypto proponents. The outcome was invariably the same: a pronounced lack of "true builders". > Please consider politely considering different perspectives here, without necessarily agreeing with them. Please consider that "but there are true builders and true communities" bullshit has been repeated too often for anyone to pay any serious attention to. Even your link is "Ethereum Magicians is a forum for the crypto community to have a place where anyone can join, create topic and discuss mainly about EIPs and technical difficulties of Ethereum ecosystem." So a lot of ado about nothing. It's a self-reinforcing loop of people patting themselves on the back with new ways to do something on the world's most ineffecient VM. Does not make them "true builders".
      - 4y ago

> true builders in this space That's a lot of belief riding on there being "true builders".

theK 4y ago

What do you mean?

Our_Benefactors 4y ago
That no such thing exists and the space is a top to bottom grifting scamfest.
- theK 4y ago
  I don't think that this view can withstand any sort of scrutiny...
  - Our_Benefactors 4y ago
    I think that it can, given articles like this showing that established profitable companies are dumping NFT strategy as quickly as possible.
    - theK 4y ago
      Established profitable companies have a track record of missing the point when it comes to doing decentralized things. For one a lot of them just fall for VC backed tech which in most cases isn't even a legitimate decentralized network. Sure we can blame grifters for this too somehow
  - illiarian 4y ago
    The opposite view, that there are some mythical "true builders" is the one that can't withstand, and hasn't withstood, any sort of scrutiny. At best those "true builders" can't understand reality around them (like all the "builders" building tickets or property rights with NFTs). At anything below best it's a sea of scammers and grifters.
    - theK 4y ago
      Oh, no I didn't talk about the "mythical builders" I talked about the actual builders. The crypo space has become very big in the past two cycles but every techie should be easily able to pick a decentralized chain, look at its community and identify those who build from those who grift.
      - illiarian 4y ago
        > Oh, no I didn't talk about the "mythical builders" I talked about the actual builders. And those are? > look at its community and identify those who build from those who grift. Ah. "Just look at the discords" argument again. I'm having this conversation in the sibling thread. Let me summarise: This is equivalent to "just sift through millions tons of shit before maybe finding something worth looking at (which invariably isn't worth looking at)".
        theK 4y ago
        Me and others have already told you on multiple posts, the ecosystem is too big to just start pointing out random stuff. Also, I really could not be bothered to go out of my way to compile examples just to feed a troll like you. DYOR and please stop perpetuating closed discussions.

DANmode 4y ago

It doesn't take belief if you spend any time observing these communities. The builders and grifters are in pretty separate camps. If you're only observing this community on Twitter, yes, you will see relentless, low-quality scams almost as a rule.

illiarian 4y ago
Ah yes, the usual "just follow the discords".
- DANmode 4y ago
  https://ethereum-magicians.org/ https://ethereum-magicians.org/ Are you in the right place? You seem to be repeating a trope directly in contradiction to my earlier point about your view being social media biased...and also heaped on a little snark, as well. Please consider politely considering different perspectives here, without necessarily agreeing with them.
  - illiarian 4y ago
    > https://ethereum-magicians.org/ https://ethereum-magicians.org/ Another random link, indistinguishable from "just follow the discords" > and also heaped on a little snark, as well. Of course there's snark. That line of "oh you just don't follow the right communities" has been repeated over and over and over again by the crypto proponents. The outcome was invariably the same: a pronounced lack of "true builders". > Please consider politely considering different perspectives here, without necessarily agreeing with them. Please consider that "but there are true builders and true communities" bullshit has been repeated too often for anyone to pay any serious attention to. Even your link is "Ethereum Magicians is a forum for the crypto community to have a place where anyone can join, create topic and discuss mainly about EIPs and technical difficulties of Ethereum ecosystem." So a lot of ado about nothing. It's a self-reinforcing loop of people patting themselves on the back with new ways to do something on the world's most ineffecient VM. Does not make them "true builders".
    - 4y ago