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Do the people which get offended by nazi uniforms are fragile as well ? The topic is much more complicated than "fragility" as you are dismissively trying to p

Do the people which get offended by nazi uniforms are fragile as well ? The topic is much more complicated than "fragility" as you are dismissively trying to portray it. We wear clothes in civilised societies for a reason, and different types of clothes have different types of societal effects. Your freedom ends where the the freedom of the next person's begins.

sosborn 4y ago
If I see a person nazi regalia I might feel uncomfortable and I’ll certainly judge them for their choice of clothing, but never would I advocate for making nazi regalia illegal.
pasabagi 4y ago
There's a bit of a difference between a religion, and a regime that, in its ten years of power, managed to kill tens of millions and start the largest and bloodiest war of all time.
- khochesh_kushat 4y ago
  Surely most religions have a larger body count over the years than that, if that's the criteria?
  - pasabagi 4y ago
    Well, because populations have grown so much in the last two hundred years, to the extent that a sizable chunk of all lives ever lived are after 1800 or so, I don't think that a long history in pre-modern times would move the needle that much. Also, the Nazis are just really exceptionally bloody-handed. In terms of intentionally, directly killing people, they killed like 16 million people. In terms of intentionally, indirectly killing people, their deliberate use of famine killed eight or nine million civilians in the soviet union alone. Then you add all the people that died due to massacres, or were killed as collateral damage, and you can understand why 30 million people died in the USSR, the vast majority of whom were civilians. It generally gets much worse in areas the Nazis had a longer duration of control: in Poland, they killed about one in five people. It's generally pretty hard to kill that many people before the 20th century, because the means of killing are too innefective, and the number of potential victims is too small. For what it's worth, Genghis Khan is probably the most bloody-handed pre-modern figure, so if we're going to blame religion for his behaviour, it's probably shamanism that has the highest death toll.
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sosborn 4y ago

If I see a person nazi regalia I might feel uncomfortable and I’ll certainly judge them for their choice of clothing, but never would I advocate for making nazi regalia illegal.

pasabagi 4y ago

There's a bit of a difference between a religion, and a regime that, in its ten years of power, managed to kill tens of millions and start the largest and bloodiest war of all time.

khochesh_kushat 4y ago
Surely most religions have a larger body count over the years than that, if that's the criteria?
- pasabagi 4y ago
  Well, because populations have grown so much in the last two hundred years, to the extent that a sizable chunk of all lives ever lived are after 1800 or so, I don't think that a long history in pre-modern times would move the needle that much. Also, the Nazis are just really exceptionally bloody-handed. In terms of intentionally, directly killing people, they killed like 16 million people. In terms of intentionally, indirectly killing people, their deliberate use of famine killed eight or nine million civilians in the soviet union alone. Then you add all the people that died due to massacres, or were killed as collateral damage, and you can understand why 30 million people died in the USSR, the vast majority of whom were civilians. It generally gets much worse in areas the Nazis had a longer duration of control: in Poland, they killed about one in five people. It's generally pretty hard to kill that many people before the 20th century, because the means of killing are too innefective, and the number of potential victims is too small. For what it's worth, Genghis Khan is probably the most bloody-handed pre-modern figure, so if we're going to blame religion for his behaviour, it's probably shamanism that has the highest death toll.

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