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It is the opposite. Feminists are fundamentally anti religion and anti establishment. If govt is railing against what women can do, feminists are the first to f

It is the opposite. Feminists are fundamentally anti religion and anti establishment. If govt is railing against what women can do, feminists are the first to fight. If religion is dictating what women can/should do, feminists will be the first to fight. Feminists are to authority like atheists are to religion.

colechristensen 4y ago
I had a conversation with a young progressive atheist woman about first hand accounts with women of Muslim backgrounds wearing the mandated clothing out of fear. She had a hard time accepting that what people said and how they acted publicly wasn’t the whole story. I used to smoke weed with some people that included some Muslim girls who would talk openly about what they were afraid of and the family pressures. If you don’t actually know people well you don’t get the whole story. In other words I’ve had direct experience with feminists who supported religious clothing in a misguided attempt to support other cultures. I’m of course not saying that there aren’t people who freely choose to wear such things. But it’s rarely without at least some pressure. We should be careful about what we force people to do but also be aware that not everyones outward choices are free.
- revscat 4y ago
  These anecdotes are completely useless. It is far too common to see some conservative somewhere trot out anecdotes such as this, claiming some stupidity being said by someone they don’t like. Frankly I do not believe you, no matter how taboo it is the say so. To use a phrase that seems to have lost favor: link, or it didn’t happen.
  - colechristensen 4y ago
    I’m not conservative and I’m not recording sensitive private conversations for the amusement of internet strangers. I’m relating my first hand experience using my real name, you can choose to believe whatever you want.
    - revscat 4y ago
      The burden of proof is on you. Absent such your claim is rightfully judged false.
- nashashmi 4y ago
  I have known Muslim women who have had to fight their own family members to wear the clothing, and had to fight the fundamentalist stereotypes associated with women who veil. And then I have also come across Muslim women who were pressured to wear out of tradition. Rarely have I come across any women rebels. But that’s also because I am selective of the company I keep, like I don’t go anywhere near drugs. Our experiences are a result of who we associate with. The Muslim women who fought to wear the scarf did so out of having dedication and focus in their lives to studies and discipline (they were med students, engineers, architects).
revscat 4y ago
This has been my experience, especially given the predominance of governments that are to some degree controlled by fundamentalist sects. It goes against the unspoken orthodoxy of what feminism is, though, so I do not expect your opinion to be a popular one here. I would say that there is a lot of overlap between atheism and feminism though.
- nashashmi 4y ago
  No kidding. I didn’t think I would get 5 down points. But here we are.

colechristensen 4y ago

I had a conversation with a young progressive atheist woman about first hand accounts with women of Muslim backgrounds wearing the mandated clothing out of fear. She had a hard time accepting that what people said and how they acted publicly wasn’t the whole story. I used to smoke weed with some people that included some Muslim girls who would talk openly about what they were afraid of and the family pressures. If you don’t actually know people well you don’t get the whole story. In other words I’ve had direct experience with feminists who supported religious clothing in a misguided attempt to support other cultures. I’m of course not saying that there aren’t people who freely choose to wear such things. But it’s rarely without at least some pressure. We should be careful about what we force people to do but also be aware that not everyones outward choices are free.

revscat 4y ago
These anecdotes are completely useless. It is far too common to see some conservative somewhere trot out anecdotes such as this, claiming some stupidity being said by someone they don’t like. Frankly I do not believe you, no matter how taboo it is the say so. To use a phrase that seems to have lost favor: link, or it didn’t happen.
- colechristensen 4y ago
  I’m not conservative and I’m not recording sensitive private conversations for the amusement of internet strangers. I’m relating my first hand experience using my real name, you can choose to believe whatever you want.
  - revscat 4y ago
    The burden of proof is on you. Absent such your claim is rightfully judged false.
nashashmi 4y ago
I have known Muslim women who have had to fight their own family members to wear the clothing, and had to fight the fundamentalist stereotypes associated with women who veil. And then I have also come across Muslim women who were pressured to wear out of tradition. Rarely have I come across any women rebels. But that’s also because I am selective of the company I keep, like I don’t go anywhere near drugs. Our experiences are a result of who we associate with. The Muslim women who fought to wear the scarf did so out of having dedication and focus in their lives to studies and discipline (they were med students, engineers, architects).

revscat 4y ago

This has been my experience, especially given the predominance of governments that are to some degree controlled by fundamentalist sects. It goes against the unspoken orthodoxy of what feminism is, though, so I do not expect your opinion to be a popular one here. I would say that there is a lot of overlap between atheism and feminism though.

nashashmi 4y ago
No kidding. I didn’t think I would get 5 down points. But here we are.