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The words "most" and "many" there are doing some herculean lifting. Look at the kind of people who do not have to work. Do they still work? No. Some sit on a b

The words "most" and "many" there are doing some herculean lifting. Look at the kind of people who do not have to work. Do they still work? No. Some sit on a beach and never lift a finger again, some become creatives and some try to recreate their successes again. None work what would be an engaging and productful job at a take-away joint.

wpietri 4y ago
That is in fact not true. Plenty of retirees seek out job-like things. I have a couple of examples. A small one is my dad. He was a software developer, but thanks to Y2K consulting, he made bank and retired early. After, he spent half the year in Mexico. One of the friends he made there was a teacher. My dad ended up volunteering in the school. He had a part-time-job-like schedule and did teacher's aide things. He loved it. On a bigger scale: In Michigan there is an arcade chain, Pinball Pete's. It was founded by Tim Arnold in 1976. I grew up there gave them a lot of quarters over years. He sold it in 1990 and retired to Las Vegas, bringing his extensive collection of arcade machines. For a while he was doing an open house; once a month he'd let people in to play some of his collection. By 2009, he had started the Pinball Hall of Fame, a nonprofit arcade. A couple years back they moved to the Strip and expanded significantly. I was there recently and he spends hours a day there. Opening up. Collecting the quarters. Fixing machines. Telling kids to stop running. The guy is circa 70 and he can do whatever he wants. What he wants to do is work at an arcade. He'll keep doing it until he dies.
- jamilton 4y ago
  The labor force participation rate among the general population is ~60%. Among those 65-74, it's 25%. And that's not accounting for people who can't retire. It also doesn't account for those who want to work but are unable.
  - wpietri 4y ago
    Ok. How does that relate?
    - jamilton 4y ago
      People who do not have to work work much less than people who do have to.
      - wpietri 4y ago
        I don't think that's particularly good evidence for that. You're confusing "has a job" with "is working" and you are ignoring the age effects that are the whole reason retirement exists in the first place.
- namarie 4y ago
  So what you're saying is that when people have more guaranteed income uncoupled from a job they have to do, in this case in the form of a retirement, they can and do choose to do lots of meaningful, enjoyable work? Which I think is the original point in this discussion?
  - wpietri 4y ago
    I am responding to somebody who said: > Look at the kind of people who do not have to work. Do they still work? No. I'm not sure HN discussions have original points, really. But people do have specific points, and it sounds like you and I both agree that the one I'm replying to is too broad.
kolinko 4y ago
I know a bunch, and all of them work. Also, you’re posting on a forum made by hand by a person who didn’t have to work. And the whole OpenAI thing is being run by a person who is a retiree as well.

wpietri 4y ago

That is in fact not true. Plenty of retirees seek out job-like things. I have a couple of examples. A small one is my dad. He was a software developer, but thanks to Y2K consulting, he made bank and retired early. After, he spent half the year in Mexico. One of the friends he made there was a teacher. My dad ended up volunteering in the school. He had a part-time-job-like schedule and did teacher's aide things. He loved it. On a bigger scale: In Michigan there is an arcade chain, Pinball Pete's. It was founded by Tim Arnold in 1976. I grew up there gave them a lot of quarters over years. He sold it in 1990 and retired to Las Vegas, bringing his extensive collection of arcade machines. For a while he was doing an open house; once a month he'd let people in to play some of his collection. By 2009, he had started the Pinball Hall of Fame, a nonprofit arcade. A couple years back they moved to the Strip and expanded significantly. I was there recently and he spends hours a day there. Opening up. Collecting the quarters. Fixing machines. Telling kids to stop running. The guy is circa 70 and he can do whatever he wants. What he wants to do is work at an arcade. He'll keep doing it until he dies.

jamilton 4y ago
The labor force participation rate among the general population is ~60%. Among those 65-74, it's 25%. And that's not accounting for people who can't retire. It also doesn't account for those who want to work but are unable.
- wpietri 4y ago
  Ok. How does that relate?
  - jamilton 4y ago
    People who do not have to work work much less than people who do have to.
    - wpietri 4y ago
      I don't think that's particularly good evidence for that. You're confusing "has a job" with "is working" and you are ignoring the age effects that are the whole reason retirement exists in the first place.
namarie 4y ago
So what you're saying is that when people have more guaranteed income uncoupled from a job they have to do, in this case in the form of a retirement, they can and do choose to do lots of meaningful, enjoyable work? Which I think is the original point in this discussion?
- wpietri 4y ago
  I am responding to somebody who said: > Look at the kind of people who do not have to work. Do they still work? No. I'm not sure HN discussions have original points, really. But people do have specific points, and it sounds like you and I both agree that the one I'm replying to is too broad.

kolinko 4y ago

I know a bunch, and all of them work. Also, you’re posting on a forum made by hand by a person who didn’t have to work. And the whole OpenAI thing is being run by a person who is a retiree as well.