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I agree completely. Additionally, people who hold this belief fail to realize that “I don’t want to work.” ACTUALLY means “I want others to work so I don’t hav

I agree completely. Additionally, people who hold this belief fail to realize that “I don’t want to work.” ACTUALLY means “I want others to work so I don’t have to.” For example, how are you going to eat? You are either going to grow, cultivate, and harvest your own food (i.e. work) or you’re expecting others to do that work for you. Oh, you say it can be “automated”? Well, who’s going to design, build, and maintain the automating machine? That’s all work too!

bryanlarsen 3y ago
Given that the article we're discussing is about robots replacing workers, the answer is "AI & robots" for all of your questions. 2 years ago we would both have agreed that that would be impossible. My belief is that most likely AI will hit another roadblock soon, following a "punctuated equilibrium" model so there will still be a large number of non-automatable jobs. But if I'm wrong and the pace of change of the last 2 years continues for another 10...
- proamdev123 3y ago
  > the answer is "AI & robots" for all of your questions. Then who designs, builds, and maintains THOSE AI & robots? It can’t be “AI & robots” all the way down. >My belief is that most likely AI will hit another roadblock soon, following a "punctuated equilibrium" model so there will still be a large number of non-automatable jobs. I agree (although it may or may not be “soon”). As history has shown us, technology advancements just cause us to reimagine possibilities and start solving problems that were previously impossible. For example, as computers have gone from a few bytes of RAM to billions of bytes of memory, humans didn’t say, “ok, we’re all set now.” — we invented whole new classes of software that do all kinds of things unimaginable to the early computer scientists. The same will happen with AI and robots.
Moissanite 3y ago
> people who hold this belief fail to realize that “I don’t want to work.” ACTUALLY means “I want others to work so I don’t have to.” No, it means "I am working to generate more wealth which flows predominantly to the owners of capital, who often do no work and sometimes have never done any work at all - can't we do something fairer than this?"
- caskstrength 3y ago
  > No, it means "I am working to generate more wealth which flows predominantly to the owners of capital, who often do no work and sometimes have never done any work at all - can't we do something fairer than this?" It always starts with this, then the next step is "ohh we can't really tax rich people and corporations ('owners of capital' that you speak of) since they have a lot of ways to move their capital out of our reach so let's just fleece the middle class instead!".
  - namarie 3y ago
    Over a hundred countries agreed to a 15% global minimum corporate tax rate starting this year. It's not nearly enough, but it's a start, and it shows we can tax rich people and corporations.
ilyt 3y ago
> Oh, you say it can be “automated”? Well, who’s going to design, build, and maintain the automating machine? That’s all work too! Which requires 10x, or 100x less people. And the "savings" go mostly to company owners, not to making product cheaper.
Viliam1234 3y ago
> “I don’t want to work.” ACTUALLY means “I want others to work so I don’t have to.” Or maybe it means: "if, thanks to automation, we become 2x as productive, I would like to work half the time, while still being able to pay my bills."

bryanlarsen 3y ago

Given that the article we're discussing is about robots replacing workers, the answer is "AI & robots" for all of your questions. 2 years ago we would both have agreed that that would be impossible. My belief is that most likely AI will hit another roadblock soon, following a "punctuated equilibrium" model so there will still be a large number of non-automatable jobs. But if I'm wrong and the pace of change of the last 2 years continues for another 10...

proamdev123 3y ago
> the answer is "AI & robots" for all of your questions. Then who designs, builds, and maintains THOSE AI & robots? It can’t be “AI & robots” all the way down. >My belief is that most likely AI will hit another roadblock soon, following a "punctuated equilibrium" model so there will still be a large number of non-automatable jobs. I agree (although it may or may not be “soon”). As history has shown us, technology advancements just cause us to reimagine possibilities and start solving problems that were previously impossible. For example, as computers have gone from a few bytes of RAM to billions of bytes of memory, humans didn’t say, “ok, we’re all set now.” — we invented whole new classes of software that do all kinds of things unimaginable to the early computer scientists. The same will happen with AI and robots.

Moissanite 3y ago

> people who hold this belief fail to realize that “I don’t want to work.” ACTUALLY means “I want others to work so I don’t have to.” No, it means "I am working to generate more wealth which flows predominantly to the owners of capital, who often do no work and sometimes have never done any work at all - can't we do something fairer than this?"

caskstrength 3y ago
> No, it means "I am working to generate more wealth which flows predominantly to the owners of capital, who often do no work and sometimes have never done any work at all - can't we do something fairer than this?" It always starts with this, then the next step is "ohh we can't really tax rich people and corporations ('owners of capital' that you speak of) since they have a lot of ways to move their capital out of our reach so let's just fleece the middle class instead!".
- namarie 3y ago
  Over a hundred countries agreed to a 15% global minimum corporate tax rate starting this year. It's not nearly enough, but it's a start, and it shows we can tax rich people and corporations.

ilyt 3y ago

> Oh, you say it can be “automated”? Well, who’s going to design, build, and maintain the automating machine? That’s all work too! Which requires 10x, or 100x less people. And the "savings" go mostly to company owners, not to making product cheaper.

Viliam1234 3y ago

> “I don’t want to work.” ACTUALLY means “I want others to work so I don’t have to.” Or maybe it means: "if, thanks to automation, we become 2x as productive, I would like to work half the time, while still being able to pay my bills."