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This is a really pessimistic and shallow article. Who will prompt the AI for code? Manager? Also, you mentioned it gave wrong result at first. How did you kno

This is a really pessimistic and shallow article. Who will prompt the AI for code? Manager? Also, you mentioned it gave wrong result at first. How did you know? Because you know how to code. As mentioned in other comment she should learn more about programming so she can become indispensible.

theusus 4y ago
Also, the article is classical fallacy https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion
- kweingar 4y ago
  The author wrote a piece describing how they feel about something. It’s not making an argument at a debate. There’s no fallacy.
- eropple 4y ago
  "I feel X and am representing my feelings in a blog post." "Well that's a fallacy!" This is a deeply, deeply inhumane way to parse the world and the feelings of other people.
eropple 4y ago
You think programmers are indispensable? "Learn to code"? I think you, likely as not, have a rude awakening ahead of you. GPT can enshittify code, too. Unwind libraries into oceans of repeated Copilot-descendant code all over the place. It'll just take longer.
- metta2uall 4y ago
  Just imagine how much tech debt can be generated by an overuse of GPTs... One concerning scenario is if software needed for e.g. garbage collection or food warehousing has some critical bug, but the AIs can't fix it, and the human employees (and even consultants) have a very hard time figuring out what's going on too..
  - SanderNL 4y ago
    Hospitals and vital government services will run on countless layers of cloud, rails and react. Everything will timeout every two requests and we will need the promised 10^19 cps supercomputers to animate our todo list. Request times will be measured in minutes and we will all accept it. You and I will be 75 and smiling, with a tear too. We knew and understood tools that are meant for a more civilized age. Just surrender, let it go.
- ResearchCode 4y ago
  They seem less dispensable than any other white collar professionals if we're talking about AI taking jobs.
  - eropple 4y ago
    "Less" isn't "not".
    - ResearchCode 4y ago
      It can happen. I'm thinking it's 20 years out and not happening tomorrow, but I'm all for UBI and saving ambitiously.
- hiq 4y ago
  GPT doesn't do anything on its own, it needs a prompt. That prompt is basically code, written by a programmer, although it resembles natural language so we're closer to usable literate programming than we've ever been. Programmers didn't disappear with new (higher-level) programming languages, if anything there have been more of them; how is this different?
PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
"The right moment to fire someone is the day before they become indispensable" It is not beneficial to human organizations to have indispensable members. You can argue it's not good for the mental health of the indispensable people either. When I first heard the quote in my first line, I thought it was cruel, inhumane and shockingly selfish on the part of employers. Nearly 30 years later, I see it almost entirely the other way around. Let's not build organizations full of indispensable people, but rather organizations in which tasks and expertise and stress and fear and success and joy are shared.
- DangitBobby 4y ago
  Well it is needlessly cruel in inhumane. Why fire them? Train another cog so you have two identical cogs. No need to fire a working cog.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    The correct strategy is to make sure they never become indispensable, not to fire them. That sounds cruel - "I will make sure this organization can always function without you, so you have no leverage here" - but I do sincerely believe that it actually makes for a better working experience.
10xDev 4y ago
Sure you need at least one developer. The question is though, how many do you still need?
- theusus 4y ago
  From what I have seen, ChatGPT is good for small code. But, as the code gets bigger, it falls apart. I mean, it's not an analysis tool. It's a human mimicker/simulator
  - Tubbe 4y ago
    ChatGPT != GPT4
    - pixl97 4y ago
      I mean this is true for GPT4 too once your code starts getting large enough. Using APIs can get you a larger external memory, but we still have relatively small context windows these days.
frereubu 4y ago
"...she should learn more about programming..." The post covered that - she's trying, but struggling with it. Not everyone has the kind of mind that can understand, write and manage code easily. So what then?
primordialsoup 4y ago
Yeah it's a short article and not a long form analysis. So yes, by don't definition it's shallow. It's expressing the author's discomfort and so it's pessimistic. I think those are fine. Who will prompt? Yes, the manager.
ResearchCode 4y ago
Being indispensable soon is not a valid cause for termination in any sane jurisdiction.
lewhoo 4y ago
This is a shallow and overly optimistic answer. You really do think prompting will be required in the long term ? Unsupervised AI is (most likely) the future, and end goal.
kiicia 4y ago
Manager is the last person that would be able to give complete and correct prompt...

theusus 4y ago

Also, the article is classical fallacy https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

kweingar 4y ago
The author wrote a piece describing how they feel about something. It’s not making an argument at a debate. There’s no fallacy.
eropple 4y ago
"I feel X and am representing my feelings in a blog post." "Well that's a fallacy!" This is a deeply, deeply inhumane way to parse the world and the feelings of other people.

eropple 4y ago

You think programmers are indispensable? "Learn to code"? I think you, likely as not, have a rude awakening ahead of you. GPT can enshittify code, too. Unwind libraries into oceans of repeated Copilot-descendant code all over the place. It'll just take longer.

metta2uall 4y ago
Just imagine how much tech debt can be generated by an overuse of GPTs... One concerning scenario is if software needed for e.g. garbage collection or food warehousing has some critical bug, but the AIs can't fix it, and the human employees (and even consultants) have a very hard time figuring out what's going on too..
- SanderNL 4y ago
  Hospitals and vital government services will run on countless layers of cloud, rails and react. Everything will timeout every two requests and we will need the promised 10^19 cps supercomputers to animate our todo list. Request times will be measured in minutes and we will all accept it. You and I will be 75 and smiling, with a tear too. We knew and understood tools that are meant for a more civilized age. Just surrender, let it go.
ResearchCode 4y ago
They seem less dispensable than any other white collar professionals if we're talking about AI taking jobs.
- eropple 4y ago
  "Less" isn't "not".
  - ResearchCode 4y ago
    It can happen. I'm thinking it's 20 years out and not happening tomorrow, but I'm all for UBI and saving ambitiously.
hiq 4y ago
GPT doesn't do anything on its own, it needs a prompt. That prompt is basically code, written by a programmer, although it resembles natural language so we're closer to usable literate programming than we've ever been. Programmers didn't disappear with new (higher-level) programming languages, if anything there have been more of them; how is this different?

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago

"The right moment to fire someone is the day before they become indispensable" It is not beneficial to human organizations to have indispensable members. You can argue it's not good for the mental health of the indispensable people either. When I first heard the quote in my first line, I thought it was cruel, inhumane and shockingly selfish on the part of employers. Nearly 30 years later, I see it almost entirely the other way around. Let's not build organizations full of indispensable people, but rather organizations in which tasks and expertise and stress and fear and success and joy are shared.

DangitBobby 4y ago
Well it is needlessly cruel in inhumane. Why fire them? Train another cog so you have two identical cogs. No need to fire a working cog.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  The correct strategy is to make sure they never become indispensable, not to fire them. That sounds cruel - "I will make sure this organization can always function without you, so you have no leverage here" - but I do sincerely believe that it actually makes for a better working experience.

10xDev 4y ago

Sure you need at least one developer. The question is though, how many do you still need?

theusus 4y ago
From what I have seen, ChatGPT is good for small code. But, as the code gets bigger, it falls apart. I mean, it's not an analysis tool. It's a human mimicker/simulator
- Tubbe 4y ago
  ChatGPT != GPT4
  - pixl97 4y ago
    I mean this is true for GPT4 too once your code starts getting large enough. Using APIs can get you a larger external memory, but we still have relatively small context windows these days.

frereubu 4y ago

"...she should learn more about programming..." The post covered that - she's trying, but struggling with it. Not everyone has the kind of mind that can understand, write and manage code easily. So what then?

primordialsoup 4y ago

Yeah it's a short article and not a long form analysis. So yes, by don't definition it's shallow. It's expressing the author's discomfort and so it's pessimistic. I think those are fine. Who will prompt? Yes, the manager.

ResearchCode 4y ago

Being indispensable soon is not a valid cause for termination in any sane jurisdiction.

lewhoo 4y ago

This is a shallow and overly optimistic answer. You really do think prompting will be required in the long term ? Unsupervised AI is (most likely) the future, and end goal.

kiicia 4y ago

Manager is the last person that would be able to give complete and correct prompt...