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I wonder how far is the "trigger" on that. Like, if the service provided just encrypted blobs + a piece of JS to decode them (with say URL containing the passw

by ilyt 4y ago

I wonder how far is the "trigger" on that. Like, if the service provided just encrypted blobs + a piece of JS to decode them (with say URL containing the password), would you be in the clear or the police/law would just go "see I click the url that leads to your site and get the Bad Stuff, it's on you"

brudgers 4y ago
If it matters, hire a lawyer for a legal opinion beforehand. Because there is a substantial probability you will be paying for legal advice later after the police have dropped by. I mean the police aren't going to say oopsies based on your argument no matter how logical it sounds. They are there to serve the warrant.
- linsomniac 4y ago
  ... and probably take all your computer gear.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    And you won’t get it back.
    - iforgotpassword 4y ago
      Until two years later where Windows Update will take eight hours after you turn it on again the first time and finally send you into a boot loop.
seszett 4y ago
Maybe this kind of thing works in the US but this is France and the law doesn't really stop at these technicalities, serving child porn as "encrypted blobs" certainly doesn't exonerate you of anything. In fact, as a host (as opposed to an actual producer of illegal content) taking such steps to evade law would probably be rather counterproductive, compared to simply cooperating with law enforcement, since it would be difficult to claim acting in good faith.
- fbdab103 4y ago
  It is difficult to say you host whatever files your customer gives you? The only people who want to store data on the internet must be using it for illicit activities?
  - seszett 4y ago
    There is nothing "difficult" and as I said, I wasn't accused of anything myself. But if you are a host, you must answer law enforcement when you are informed of illegal content. And that's if you are content with simply hosting child porn until the police tells you you are.
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chpatrick 4y ago
You're still facilitating something bad even if it's opaque to you.
- fbdab103 4y ago
  That is true of any number of businesses. Banks, credit cards, roads, gas stations, ISPs, keyboard manufacturers, the people that craft those bribery-sacks with dollar-signs on the front. The buck has to stop somewhere, and I think intent/suspicion should play some role in that.
  - chpatrick 4y ago
    Okay but if you're operating a bank and it's used 99% for fraud you should still get shut down right?
dspillett 4y ago
You might have to go through some hassle (and cost) to prove you are not deliberately aiding/abetting the transfer illegal content. And in some jurisdictions you may be guilty of a lesser crime just be inadvertently aiding/abetting. The current UK government keeps trying to push through legislation that is a little scary in that respect.

by ilyt 4y ago

brudgers 4y ago

If it matters, hire a lawyer for a legal opinion beforehand. Because there is a substantial probability you will be paying for legal advice later after the police have dropped by. I mean the police aren't going to say oopsies based on your argument no matter how logical it sounds. They are there to serve the warrant.

linsomniac 4y ago
... and probably take all your computer gear.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  And you won’t get it back.
  - iforgotpassword 4y ago
    Until two years later where Windows Update will take eight hours after you turn it on again the first time and finally send you into a boot loop.

seszett 4y ago

Maybe this kind of thing works in the US but this is France and the law doesn't really stop at these technicalities, serving child porn as "encrypted blobs" certainly doesn't exonerate you of anything. In fact, as a host (as opposed to an actual producer of illegal content) taking such steps to evade law would probably be rather counterproductive, compared to simply cooperating with law enforcement, since it would be difficult to claim acting in good faith.

fbdab103 4y ago
It is difficult to say you host whatever files your customer gives you? The only people who want to store data on the internet must be using it for illicit activities?
- seszett 4y ago
  There is nothing "difficult" and as I said, I wasn't accused of anything myself. But if you are a host, you must answer law enforcement when you are informed of illegal content. And that's if you are content with simply hosting child porn until the police tells you you are.
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chpatrick 4y ago

You're still facilitating something bad even if it's opaque to you.

fbdab103 4y ago
That is true of any number of businesses. Banks, credit cards, roads, gas stations, ISPs, keyboard manufacturers, the people that craft those bribery-sacks with dollar-signs on the front. The buck has to stop somewhere, and I think intent/suspicion should play some role in that.
- chpatrick 4y ago
  Okay but if you're operating a bank and it's used 99% for fraud you should still get shut down right?

dspillett 4y ago

You might have to go through some hassle (and cost) to prove you are not deliberately aiding/abetting the transfer illegal content. And in some jurisdictions you may be guilty of a lesser crime just be inadvertently aiding/abetting. The current UK government keeps trying to push through legislation that is a little scary in that respect.